new and in search of help

[ualarauans]

Hails!

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "aranwitoth88" <kyrus88rook at ...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> I have recently started learning the gothic language and I have a 
few
> questions that I hope someone on here could answer. I do have a 
copy of
> Wright, and have been checking out an abbreviated grammar allegedly
> based on the works of carver and salo, but have been unable to 
find the
> answers to my questions below:
> 
> 1.
> A prayer to Thunrs, in gothic from the english:
>     eng>     Thunrs! (you)Hallow the enclosure.
>               voc     2nd person imperative (?)
>     goth>     Thunr!  Weihan (make holy) thizai targa.
> 
>   is this the correct form are am I far off the mark?
> 

Actually not so far I'd say... The Gothic verb weihan, unlike 
synonymous ON vigja, demands accusative of the object (compare John 
17:19 ik weiha mik silban), so if your *targa is feminine o-stem, 
then it should be `Weihai tho targa'; if it be F. -on, then `tho 
targon'. What kind of "enclosure" do you mean with that? The 
imperative form of weihan is weihai! or, if you prefer optative, 
weihais!

The reconstructed form *Thunrs seems debatable. In Theudiskon List I 
saw the idea of the Gothic form being rather *Thundrs (after 
timbrjan < timrjan, and the like), and I can't help feeling this 
idea is right. So, the whole sentence would probably look like:
*Thundr, weihai(s) tho targa!

A separate question I dare not to touch here is whether Gothic
*Thun(d)rs did hallow anything at all...

>
> 2. When composing germanic alliterative poetry in gothic, since 
many
> words are omitted from the sentence structure in order to conform 
to
> the rules of germanic poetry, should I compose the sentences in
> complete proper form (case, tense, etc) and then cut out words, or
> should I just compose the lines in nominative form?
> 

Well, it's actually a matter of taste how to make one's poetry, but 
I guess it could be rather convenient to put the words in the proper 
grammatical forms right away. AFAIK they could omit words but not, 
say, case endings.

Good luck!

Ualarauans





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