Arain Christian influence on Islam

[Le Bateman]

  Is this the same Aetius that defeated Atilla?
Le
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From: "Wolfgang Franz" <wolfgang.franz at vr-web.de>
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I think it can't be emphazised often enough: Arius did not deny the divinity
of the Christ. For Arius Christ was created before creation but in time. But
the Christ (the logos) was created. And this is the difference to the rest 
of
christianity: That He was created while in the creed of Nicaia He is
procreated. In Arius' opinion the logos was god second class but god
nevertheless.

What you describe is adoptianism, condemned always when it came around in 
the
early church. In the course of the bitter struggle about the trinity after
the council of Nicaia some radical arianists (Aetius) became adoptianists as
well. But the original Arius was not.

Wulfila was even more towards the orthodox nicaian church. It looks that he
was arian by accident only. When he was consecrated bishop arianism was the
leading party in the east. And afterwards Wulfila was too straightforward to
change his mind.

Am Samstag, 31. März 2007 07:00 schrieb Le Bateman:
>   I am just thinking about the similarity in the belief Jesus was born of 
> a
> virgin, but not divine. This was the teaching of Arius. All of the Church
> fathers including Ireneus, who was the disciple of Polycarp, who is said 
> to
> be John The Beloved Disciple. All of them taught that Arianism was a
> heretical sect.  Muhammad lived in the 6th Century, and died at the time
> that Redwald King of East Anglia died in 632 A.D. So he would have
> encountered the Monks who live in the Sinai.
> They have a monastery on Mount Sinia. Or somewhere on the Sinai or Arabian
> Peninsula. I am thinking of the Greek Orthodox monks. I also believe the
> Coptic Christians of Egypt were around as well. So they were around. It is
> possible he did come incontact with him. The Quran does call these and the
> Jews Unbelievers. So he was aware of them. I will have to reread the 
> Quran.
> Le
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> From: "Baira" <baira_bear at yahoo.com>
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> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 6:07 AM
> Subject: [gothic-l] Re: Arain Christian influence on Islam
>
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Le Bateman" <LeBateman at ...> wrote:
> >   Does anyone know if there was a strong Arian influence on Islam.
>
> They both
>
> > seemed to view Jesus as important, but not devine as the Orthodox
>
> faith.
>
> > Could Mohammed have known the followers of Ulfius.I probably have the
> > Bishop's name spelled wrong.
> > Le
>
> It is very, very doubtful. Many historians of the Islamic religion
> believe that Mohammad was personally acquainted with the Jewish
> religion but not with the Christian one, which he knew just by
> hearsay. If so, it was highly unlikely that he knew the beliefs of a
> 'heretical' sect.
>
> In Islamic religion Jesus is a prophet, just like Moses and Abraham.
> The greatest of the prophets before Mohammed, but a prophet, nothing
> more and nothing less.
>
> Besides, if you are not a Christian you will not only never accept the
> divine nature of Jesus, but you will not even pose yourself the question.
>
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