Nauh niu liuþ (2)

[Fredrik]

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> Some comments on the 2nd stanza:
> 
> > Jai þannu aglus ist hvan drupans driusand.
> 
what about þannu? I'd like to make a difference between swedish 'ja' 
and 'ja visst'.

> I think I'd make the adjective neuter, like this: 'Jai, aglu ist, 
þan
> drupans driusand.'  Compare: hvaiwa aglu ist þaim hugjandam afar
> faihau in þiudangardja gudis galeiþan (Mk 10:24).  And I'd use 'þan'
> or 'þanei' for "when", except where it's a direct or indirect 
question
> - e.g. direct: hvan managans habaiþ hlaibans' "how many loaves have
> you got?" (Mk 8:5).  I can't find an example of an indirect question
> with 'hvan' (that is, dependent on a verb meaning "ask", "know",
> "understand", "discover", "prove"), but there are examples with 
other
> interrogative pronouns: ak fraþjandans hva sijai wilja fraujins "but
> understanding what the will of the Lord is" (Eph 5:17).
> 
that's probably a correct observation.

> > Reirands fram karai kauruba eis hahand,
> 
> Masculine nominative plural 'reirandans'.
> 
thnx

> > haftjand sik ana taina, swilland, gleidand -
> 
> haftjand sik taina/ansta (with dative and no preposition, e.g.
> 'haftjandans godamma' "sticking to what is good" (R 12:9)).
> 
> > Dalaþ ins þinsai kaurus, hvaiwa kliggand.
> 
> 'kaurei ins dalaþ atþinsiþ' - compare the combinations 'dalaþ
> atsteigan', 'dalaþ atgaggan'.
> 
> > Aglus wisan unwiss, faurhts jah skaidans,
> 
> Again, I'd use neuter, "it is hard": 'Aglu unwiss wisan, jah faurhts
> jah skaidans,'
> 
is it necessary to use jah so many times? in swedish it should be 
enough to use it as i did, i.e. not befor faurht but bnefore skaidans.

> > Aglus ufkunnan diupein þo þinsandein jah haitandein,
> 
> You could use infinitives:
> 
> aglu diupiþa/diupein ufkunnan atþinsan jah athaitan
> aglu diupiþai/diupein gaumjan atþinsan jah athaitan
> 
> The most common form is 'diupiþa', but 'diupei' is also attested.
> 
> > nauh bileiban sitands jah þatain skudon -
> 
> sweþauh nauh sitan jah þatainei reiran,
> 
what's sweþauh?
what's the difference between þatain and þatainei?

> *'skudon'? or *'skudjan' (OHG 'scuttan' > NHG 'schütten') or
> *'skudison' (OHG 'scutisôn') or *'skutilon' (OHG 'scutilôn')?  Is 
the
> double 'dd' in Swedish 'skudda' due to it being a loanword from West
> Germanic (Low German 'schudden'), where gemination was the rule 
before
> /j/.
I'm not familiar with that word 'gemination'. what's that?

  There's also a version with long [u:] in the root, represented
> in MDu. 'schûderen' and NHG 'schaudern'.
> 
> Alternatives: *'skakan', *'skilban'.
> 
> > aglus bileiban wiljan
> > jah driusan wiljan.
> 
> aglu bileiban wiljan
> jah driusan wiljan.
> 
> I'd translate it the same way, except with neuter for the 
adjective. 
> We have a few other choices 
for "stay": 'wisan', 'gawisan', 'gastandan'.
> 
> LN
>


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