century, events, deaths

[Lombard]

Hails "Llama nom"

>Or maybe the root fidur- would be used. 

 

Isn't OE. feorþa just a contraction of *feowerþa ?

 

 

OE. feower - feorþa

OHG. fior - fiordo

OS. fiwar, fior - *fiwardo, *fiordo (Köbler has "fiuwar" instead of "fiwar")

 

According to Köbler the Germanic word for 4 is *fedwor. 

 

>There's also a question over whether -d- would be devoiced to -þ- to dissimilate it from the preciding voiced consonant, or whether -d- would be kept by analogy with other >ordinal numerals: *fidurda, *fidurþa, *fidworda, *fidworþa? For comparison, we've got OE. féorða, OS. fiorðo, OHG. fiordo (MHG. vierde, mod.G. vierte), ON. fiórði.




Joseph Wright (Grammar of the Gothic Language; Oxford, 1910): "From þridja onwards the other ordinals were formed from the cardinals by means of the Indg. superlative suffix -to- (§ 244), the t of which regularly remained unshifted in fimfta- and saihsta (§ 128 note 2). In other positions the t became þ by the first sound-shifting (§ 128), then þ became d by Verner's law (§ 136), which regularly became d after n (see §§ 172-3). It is difficult to account for the -u- in ahtuda." (OHG. also has "ahtodo")

 

Second try:



1st fruma

2nd anþar

3rd þridja

4th fidworda

5th fimfta

6th saihsta

7th sibunda

8th ahtuda

9th niunda

10th taihunda

11th ainlifta

12th twalifta

13th þridjataihunda

14th fidwordataihunda

15th fimftataihunda

16th saihstataihunda

17th sibundataihunda

18th ahtudataihunda

19th niundataihunda

20th anþar tiguda

21st anþar tiguda jah fruma

22nd anþar tiguda jah anþar

23rd anþar tiguda jah þridja

24th anþar tiguda jah fidworda

25th anþar tiguda jah fimfta

26th anþar tiguda jah saihsta

27th anþar tiguda jah sibunda

28th anþar tiguda jah ahtuda

29th anþar tiguda jah niunda

30th þridja tiguda

31st þridja tiguda jah fruma

40th fidworda tiguda

50th fimfta tiguda

60th saihsta tiguda

70th sibuntehunda

80th ahtautehunda

90th niuntehunda

100th hundosta

200th anþar hundosta

300th þridja hundosta

400th fidworda hundosta

500th fimfta hundosta

600th saihsta hundosta

700th sibunda hundosta

800th ahtuda hundosta

900th niunda hundosta

1000th þusundosta

2000th anþar þusundosta



Regards, Manie



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: llama_nom 
  To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:52 PM
  Subject: [gothic-l] Re: century, events, deaths


  --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Lombard" <manielombard at ...> wrote:
  >
  > Dear "Llama nom"

  Hi Manie!

  > 4th fidworda

  Or maybe the root fidur- would be used. There's also a question over
  whether -d- would be devoiced to -þ- to dissimilate it from the
  preciding voiced consonant, or whether -d- would be kept by analogy
  with other ordinal numerals: *fidurda, *fidurþa, *fidworda, *fidworþa?
  For comparison, we've got OE. féorða, OS. fiorðo, OHG. fiordo (MHG.
  vierde, mod.G. vierte), ON. fiórði.

  > 20th twai tigjuda (Verner's law þ > d?; or anþara tigjuda, like
  fimfta-taihunda instead of fimf-taihunda ?)

  The -j- in twai tigjus "twenty" is part of the nominative plural
  u-stem noun ending of what would in the singular be *tigus, so if
  Gothic did use a system like this, I'd expect: anþar tigus. (anþar is
  always declined strong). If Gothic was more like the other Germanic
  languages here and formed a compound word with an ordinal suffix, the
  regular form would be -þa (if the same suffix was used as in Old
  English), devoiced to dissimilate it from the -g- of tigu-, so:
  *-tiguþa. But I can well imagine that this might be changed back to
  -d- by analogy with other ordinals like ahtuda, so maybe *-tiguda
  would be equally possible. We could avoid this dilemma if we used the
  -osta suffix, as in Old High German. In favour of -da (or -þa) is the
  fact that this suffix is actually attested in Gothic. As I mentioned,
  Old Norse -gandi might be a later development by analogy with the
  teens. In favour of -osta is the fact that this occurs in Old High
  German, as well as in Icelandic for hundreds and thousands (and
  probably on hundreds and thousands also in Old Norse, although
  examples happen to be lacking).

  > Quite difficult :)))

  Yes! And knowing those Goths, they probably counted in a completely
  different way to any of these, just to confuse us...

  LN



   

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