Chomsky: Obsolete?

Brian MacWhinney macw at cmu.edu
Thu Oct 11 23:06:59 UTC 2007


Peter,

     Fair question.  Personally, I have found Chomsky's ideas  
sometimes right on and sometimes wildly implausible.  I think that,  
in the final analysis, the field would have benefitted more if the  
ideas had been presented as just that -- as ideas, rather than as  
established scientific fact.  Transformations, the cycle, rule- 
ordering, feeding, bleeding, the grammar gene, the sudden evolution  
of language, speech is special, the centrality of recursion,  
minimalism, mapping interfaces, principles and parameters, poverty of  
stimulus, modularity, early full competence, and the like.  These are  
all fascinating ideas.  But so are competition, cue validity,  
constructions, entrenchment, transfer, thematic structure, dependency  
relations, coevolution, sensorimotor bases, gesture-speech linkages,  
linguistic relativity, thinking for speaking, dynamic systems,  
learning to learn, resonance, and neural plasticity.  What troubles  
me is that the first set of ideas was presented as a single take-it- 
or-leave-it package and contrasted with the second package, which was  
often dismissed as something that had "already been shown to be  
implausible."
    My personal assessment of the developments of the last 50 years  
is that, the single-package approach largely outlived its usefulness  
by about 1980.  By then, it was clear that the pieces of the overall  
package were not logically or empirically co-dependent.   If we had  
been able to "get over" this barrier, I think we would now have made  
quicker progress on (1) linking L1 and L2 theory, (2) grounding  
acquisitional theory on data, including video recordings, of real  
interactions, (3) made more headway on understanding real-time  
processing of language by normal children and children with  
disabilities,  (4) developed a more solid quantitative methodological  
base for ongoing work, and (5) been able to field full working  
simulations of the acquisition of language.  In this regard, science  
is really often just a trade-off of time and manpower.  If we, as a  
field, had devoted less energy to attempts to characterize systems  
for parameter setting, I think we would have made more progress on  
these five fundamental fronts, building a firmer basis for ongoing work.
     In my mind, Chomsky's most important contribution is his initial  
one -- the emphasis on generativity.  If our models of language  
learning are good at all, they should be able to model and depict the  
actual course of language development.  In 1980, it was basically  
impossible to do this, because we did not have the relevant corpora.   
My own focus has been on solving this problem through the  
construction of CHILDES.  Now, I believe, we are in a position to get  
back to the central task.  We should be able to show how, using data  
available in real interactions with real children with real video and  
audio, children succeed in learning language.
    I don't think that the issue here is about Chomsky's presence or  
absence.  Some of his questions are good and cannot be forgotten.   
But it is time to move on.

-- Brian MacWhinney



On Oct 12, 2007, at 2:47 AM, Gordon, Peter wrote:

> I think it would be an interesting exercise if Robin (and other  
> Anti-Chomskians) could give us a sense of how child language might  
> have developed without Chomsky and why it would have benefited from  
> his absence.
>
> Peter Gordon

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