[Lexicog] Shoebox help

[Greg and Heather Mellow]

Thanks for your help Ron.

Thanks too to Neal & Steve.

I mistakenly used a sub-entry because in the vast majority of cases a derivative with a different part of speech has a different form, exactly like your example of apostello v. and apostolos n.

Greg
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ron Moe 
  To: lexicographylist at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 7:18 AM
  Subject: RE: [Lexicog] Shoebox help


  I'm curious as to why you are using sub-entries to handle forms that are identical to the citation form. The normal way to handle such things is to merely list them as separate senses, or if they are different parts of speech, to enter each part of speech under the main entry. Sub-entries are normally used for complex forms--derivatives, compounds, and phrases--that are built on a root (or stem) that is described in the main entry. This is the model that MDF is built on and is why it behaves the way it does. If you had a main entry 'apostello' v. 'send a message' and a subentry 'apostolos' n. 'messenger', then the Finderlist entry for 'messenger' would read:

  messenger  apostolos, see: apostello.

  This indicates that apostolos is the equivalent of messenger, but you have to look under apostello to find it. In English we would not make love v. a subentry of love n. or vice versa. The American Heritage Dictionary entry reads:

  love n. 1. An intense affectionate concern... v. loved, loving, loves. --tr. 1. To feel love for....

  In a bilingual dictionary you would have something like this:

  love n. 1. agape... v. 1. agapao....

  Doing it this way, your Finderlist entries would be:

  agapao     love
  agape     love

  So your Toolbox/MDF database entry for kokoro should look something like:

  \lx kokoro
  \ps v
  \de to sink
  \re sink, to
  \ps v.st
  \de to be deep
  \re deep, to be
  \ps n
  \de hole
  \re hole

  Doing it this way would give you three Finderlist entries:

  deep, to be     kokoro
  hole     kokoro
  sink, to     kokoro

  Ron Moe

  -----Original Message-----
  From: lexicographylist at yahoogroups.com [mailto:lexicographylist at yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Greg and Heather Mellow
  Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 2:03 AM
  To: lexicographylist at yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Lexicog] Shoebox help


    I would appreciate some help with Shoebox.



    I am using Shoebox/MDF to produce a dictionary. When I export into a Finderlist some of the entries don't look right.

    For example, my Shoebox entry for (kokoro, verb, sink) has a main entry and two sub-entries that have different parts of speech, (kokoro stative verb, deep) and (kokoro, noun, hole). Since the surface form of the two subentries is identical to the main entry, the Finderlist entries for the two subentries become:

     

    deep (water)          kokoro, see: kokoro.

    hole        kokoro, see: kokoro.

     

    It is undesirable to have the equivalent word apparently stated twice. Is there some way of making Shoebox/MDF give just a single equivalent?



    Like this:

     

    deep (water)          kokoro

    hole        kokoro

     

    Regards, Greg



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