LL-L "Etymology" 2002.05.22 (02) [A/D/E]

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From: "W!M" <wkv at home.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2002.05.21 (07) [E/LS]

Hi

Spreken sprak gesproken,   bespreken, bespreking,  afspreken,   een
spreker,
all common dutch
(To speak, spoke spoken,   to speak about ,meeting (talks), make a deal
or
date, a speaker,  )
And in many Dutch dialects too. And I'm sure there are more too. All
still
in use.

Wim wkv at home.nl
[Wim Verdoold]

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From: "Marco Evenhuis" <evenhuis at zeelandnet.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2002.05.21 (07) [E/LS]

Ron schreef:

> Isn't _spreken_ also archaic and/or stilted in Dutch?  What about
> _spreek_ in Afrikaans?

_Spreken_ wordt in het Nederlands nog altijd zéér algemeen
 gebruikt (net als _spreker_/_spraak_/_spreuk_), hoewel
 in het dagelijks taalgebruik _praten_ wat algemener is.

In het Zeêuws komt _spreken_ niet voor. Daar is _praoten_
(_praeten_) de gewone vorm. Ik heb ook geen enkele aan-
wijzing dat _spreken_ in het Zeeuws vroeger wél werd
gebruikt...
De volgende Zeeuwse woorden schieten mij te binnen als het
over _spreken_ gaat: _klassinêren_ (druk over iets discus-
siëren), _prottekollen_ (tegenspreken), _lullen_, _raezen_ of
_raeskouzen_ , _wouwen_, _wouwelen_, _reutelen_,
_verabstikken_ , _babienen_, _rabbelen_, _taoteren_,
_ver'apstaerten_ (alle min of meer 'kletsen'), _frazelen_
(stamelen), _palaoberen_ (door elkaar praten; Frans:
 'palabrer'), _schandelizeren_ (kwaad spreken), etc...

Groet!

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From: "Elsie Zinsser" <ezinsser at simpross.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2002.05.21 (07) [E/LS]

Dag almal,

Ron het gevra: What about _spreek_ in Afrikaans?

Die woord is nog lewendig. Byvoorbeeld:

-Die baas het iets om met hom in haar kantoor te spreek.

Verwant daaraan:
-Daar is nog dingetjies wat ek met my suster wil bespreek.

Ook in:

Ek het die vakansie in Zanzibar bespreek. ('booked')

Groete
Elsie Zinsser

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From: Gustaaf Van Moorsel <gvanmoor at aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2002.05.21 (07) [E/LS]

Ron Hahn wrote:

> Isn't _spreken_ also archaic and/or stilted in Dutch?

The more common word is _praten_, and _spreken_ can indeed
sound a little _stilted_, though not archaic.  In many cases,
though, _spreken_ has to be used, e.g.

Ik spreek Nederlands

Gustaaf

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