LL-L "Etymology" 2002.09.25 (03) [A/D/E]

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From: Frans Vermeulen <vermeulen.vastgoed at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2002.09.24 (04) [E]

Beste Lowlanders,

1) (E) "average" en (French) "avèrer < ongeveer (a- = zogenaamde a-privatif
zoals on-).
2) (French) "rauque" en (E) "rough" en (UG) "rauh" en (LS) "in 't Ruusch" en
(E) "rough" en (UG) "rauh" < ruw weg < ruddig weg; "rauw" bestaat ook in 't
Nederlands maar zelden of nooit in die verbinding gebruikt.

Frans Vermeulen

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From: Friedrich-Wilhelm Neumann <Friedrich-Wilhelm.Neumann at epost.de>
Subject: "Language varieties"[E/LS]

Hi, Ron, Low- un Leeglanners,

those days I made some thoughts about the (E) "average", (UG)
"Durchschnitt".

I found it, on the first look, to derive from (French) "avèrer", (E) "to
proof", (UG) "beweisen", and "(French) "rauque", (E) "rough" (in the sense
of "[round-]about"), (UG) "rauh" (iSv "ungefähr").

So far, so good, and I was sure at first.

But then I took a look into my *neuronal* (may be, neurotic! *s*)
LS-"dictionary", and I remembered a word/expression still alive in our
region: (LS) "in 't Ruusch" (spoken like the french "rouge"), meaning exact
the same, namely (E) "at an average", (UG) "im Durchschnitt". It's used by
craftsmen and (cattle- and timber-) merchants.

I think I have to say Good Bye to "avèrer" though there may be some
cognative relations (of course and surely for "rauque).

Maybe interesting also: (E) "rough", (UG) "rauh" is in our LS "ruugh" with a
very guttural *-gh*- different from the above "...ruusch".

Are there similar expressions in the other LL-languages?

Regards, Kumpelmenten and Greutens:

Fiete.

(Friedrich W. Neumann)

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From: Friedrich-Wilhelm Neumann <Friedrich-Wilhelm.Neumann at epost.de>
Subject: "Language varieties"[E/LS]

Sorry,

and correction.

I did write in my last:

>...(LS) "in 't Ruusch" (spoken like the french "rouge").. <

Of course- the "r" in the beginning has to be "rrrrolled"!

Fiete.

(Friedrich W. Neumann)

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From: Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L

Haai almal

Fiete het geskryf oor die (E) "average", (HD) "Durchschnitt", en (LS) "in 't
Ruusch" (spoken like the French "rouge"), en vra: Are there similar
expressions in the other LL-languages?

In Afrikaans kan mens "rofweg" gebruik wat dieselfde beteken. Die woord is
waarskynlik 'n samevoeging van "rof" = (not precise; ungefaehr) + weg = way;
Manier

Groete,
Elsie Zinsser

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