LL-L "Phonology" 2003.07.22 (06) [E/LS]

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From: Friedrich W. Neumann <Fieteding at gmx.net>
Subject: Language Varieties

Moin, Reynhard, Leeg- un' Lowlanners,

(English below)

von Doog full mi 'n neeige Sünnerheeid in u's Platt opp (man net un' nipp in
u's Rabeeid anne Münnen vonne Elv; föör annere Rabeeiden kann 'ck ne
snacken):

föör welke Wöör, de mit dennen Baukstoov "J" anfangt, seggt wii ook "J" as
in (UG): "jeder" or in (E): "yard":

(LS): "Jüchen", (UG): "Steckrübeneintopf", (E): "Yellow Roots with bacon...
[special meal in Northern Germ.]";
(LS): "Jitte", (UG): "Mutterschaf", (E): "sheep with a lamb";
(LS): "jümmer", (UG): "immer", (E): "always"... - un' sau wiider...

Mann- denn givvt dat door annere Wöör', de fangt ook mi "J" an, un' door
mookt wii 'n Diph- or Triphtong von, meist jüst sau ass  (E): "John",
"jail", "generation" etc...- 'n beeten weeiker viellich' (BTW: dissen -jo-
"Triphtong" gifft amend ne opp Hauchdüütsch):

(LS): "Jiller", (UG): "Euter", (E): "udder";
(LS): "Jaokob", (UG): "Jakob", (E): "Jacob";
(LS); "Jäger", (UG): "Jäger", (E): "hunter".

Door giff 't schiinboor heel keein Reegel föör- krüüs't Du blaut
eingermooten oppe Reigh, wenn Du door mit oppwussen büsst.

Mennigwelk Wöör kannst ook noch opp beeide Oor'n uutspreeken:

(LS): "jeeidereein", (UG): "jeder[mann]", (E): "everybody".

Hett door einer 'n Ploon, 'n Regelwaarks von?

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English:

today I found out a new [linguistic] specialty in our regional LS-dialect
(just and exclusive in our region, at the mouth at the River Elbe; I cannot
talk for any other region):

in some words beginning with the letter "J" we pronounce it "normally" like
in (UG): "jeder" or in (E): "yard":

(LS): "Jüchen", (UG): "Steckrübeneintopf", (E): "Yellow Roots with bacon...
[special meal in Northern Germ.]";

(LS): "Jitte", (UG): "Mutterschaf", (E): "sheep with a lamb";
(LS): "jümmer", (UG): "immer", (E): "always"... - and so on.

But- there are other words also beginning with a "J", and we use to make a
Diph- or even Triphtong of them, nearly exactly like (E) "John", "jail",
"generation" etc.- perhaps a little bit "weaker" (BTW: This -ok- triphtong
You will not find in Upper German, as far as I can find out now):

(LS): "Jiller", (UG): "Euter", (E): "udder";
(LS): "Jaokob", (UG): "Jakob", (E): "Jacob";
(LS); "Jäger", (UG): "Jäger", (E): "hunter".

I don't find any rules here- You just *perhaps*can handle it if You are
native speaker.

There are even words You may pronounce both ways:

(LS): "jeeidereein [ook: dscheeidereein]", (UG): "jeder[mann]", (E):
"everybody".

Has anyone got a plan for this?

Regards/Greutens:

Fiete.

Not Lucifer I fear,
but those almighty Gods.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Phonology

[English below]

Fiete,
In dey meyrsten dialekten wardt dat /j-/ dörchgaans as [j], [ɟ] ([dj]) or
[ʥ] ([dz,]), *dörchgaans*, nich mengeleyrd. Nu dat by Jou schynts mengeleyrd
utspraken wardt, kann 'n as verklaren blouts geven, dat Jy twey sünnerde
fonemen daar vör hebbt; t.b. "Jitte" /jite/ ['jIte] vs "Jiller" /Jiler/
['ʥIl3`]. In düsse val schullen Jy twey sünnerde grafemen daar vör bruken;
t.b. <Jitte> vs <Djiller>.

Kumpelmenten,
Reinhard/Ron

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Fiete,

In most dialects /j/ is consistently pronounced as [j], [ɟ] ([dj]) or [ʥ]
([dz,]), *consistently*, not mixed. Since in your dialect there appears to
be a mixture, the only plausible explanation seems to assume two separate
phonemes; e.g., _Jitte_ /jite/ ['jIte] vs _Jiller_ /Jiler/ ['ʥIl3`]. In this
case you ought to use two separate graphemes; e.g., <Jitte> vs <Djiller>.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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