LL-L "Language varieties" 2003.07.31 (01) [E]

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From: Justin Renquist <justinrenquist at hotmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2003.07.30 (05) [E]

Interesting.
Gustaaf,
Do you pronounce your r's in Dutch with a guttural/uvular sound, tongue
trilled, or a combination depending on the word or who you are talking to?
How would you as a native Dutch speaker explain the differences between
users of uvular vs trilled r in Dutch? To an ABN speaker, do trilled r's
come across as sounding like dialect, regional, and do trilled r's to ABN
speakers have a negative connotation of lwoer socio-economic class?
Your input greatly appreciated! :>

Groetjes
Justin

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From: burgdal32admin <burgdal32 at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2003.07.30 (05) [E]

> From: Gustaaf Van Moorsel <gvanmoor at aoc.nrao.edu>
> Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2003.07.30 (04) [E]
>
> Ben Bloomgren wrote:
>
>> This may be a question to ask you. When you hear Dutch spoken in
>> neutral
>> environments such as radio and TV, from where does it come? Is it from
>> Amsterdam? How does it sound?
>
> You'll be hard pressed to find a locality where the local
> dialect equals that of TV Dutch.  I have always been told
> that Haarlem plays this role, but I am not so sure of that
> myself.
>
> And then, one cannot depend on radio and TV anymore either.
> On my rare visits back to the Netherlands I find that a cer-
> tain  sloppyness in pronunciation is gaining ground, with
> faint tinges of Amsterdam and Utrecht accents.  Maybe this
> is the direction ABN (algemeen beschaafd Nederlands) is
> developing.  On the other hand, I still hear a lot of what
> I consider neutral Dutch as well, so there is still hope.
>
> Mind you, I am not criticising people for maintaining the
> accent of the region they originate from.  On the contrary!
> The accent that seems to be gaining ground, however, does
> not originate from anywhere specific at all, maybe from pop
> culture or sports, I don't know.  I may be far off here, and
> I'd like to hear what other fellow Dutch speakers think of
> this.
>
> Anyway, to hear what I consider standard Dutch listen to
> the news broadcasts of Radio Nederland Wereldomroep.  Or
> give me a call ;-)
>
> Gustaaf
Hi Gustaaf and Ben,

I think you also have to listen (and look) to the official Flemish
television and radio (VRT). They  have a standard Dutch which also has
an official caracter.There are also commercial channels. They tend to
allow more regional accents.
There is also a "Radio Vlaanderen Internationaal"
Watch and listen to all the news on the website
http://www.a-z.be/onlinenews.htlm

groetjes
luc vanbrabant
oekene

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