LL-L "Language varieties" 2003.06.27 (02) [D/E]

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L O W L A N D S - L * 27.JUN.2003 (02) * ISSN 189-5582 * LCSN 96-4226
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A=Afrikaans Ap=Appalachian B=Brabantish D=Dutch E=English F=Frisian
L=Limburgish LS=Lowlands Saxon (Low German) N=Northumbrian
S=Scots Sh=Shetlandic V=(West)Flemish Z=Zeelandic (Zeêuws)
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From: "Justin Renquist" <justinrenquist at hotmail.com>
Subject: Vraag over Vlaams en ABN

Dag Alle

Als kind heb ik in franstalige Belgie gewoont, en heb Nederlands in
school
geleerd.
M'n Nederlands leraar hier in Seattle komt uit Haarlem in Holland, en
heeft
'n uitspraak die ik niet ken.
Als ik heb Nederlands in Belgie geleerd, heb ik 'n zachte g en zeg het
woord
huis als "huh-ees" maar m'n leraar zegt ja "hoi-ees"
In Belgie heb ik nie "hoi-ees" gehoord - is this a known difference
between
Belgian and Netherlands speakers?

nu in het Engels :>

I pronounce "r" in Dutch in my throat as I do in French, and it's hard
for
me to explain how with "gr" combinations" to pronounce both g and r
together
since they are both throat sounds (although I seem to do it, but hard to
explain how to others)... "schr" is particulary interesting as in
"verschrikkelijk" !
It seems some Belgians and Netherlands speakers pronounce a
rolled/trilled r
with the tongue (no uvular r) - what are the social implications of
this? Is
it considered more educated sounding to use rolled r or trilled r? It
certainly is easier to use/teach trilled tongue r for gr combinations!

Are there any native Flemish speakers on the list? :>

Bedankt,
Justin

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Language varieties

Welkom bij Lowlands-L, beste buur, Justin!

Groeten,
Reinhard "Ron" Hahn, Seattle
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