LL-L "Etymology" 2003.10.22 (13) [E]

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From: burgdal32admin <burgdal32 at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2003.10.21 (06) [E]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Etymology
>
> I am curious to know if French _havresac_ and English "haversack" go
> back to
> a loan from Dutch/Flemish or from Lowlands Saxon (Low German).
>
> Dutch:
> _haverzak_: zak die, met haver gevuld, om de kop van een paard wordt
> gehangen om het eruit te laten eten [van Dale] (bag containing feed
> hung
> from a horse's head)
>
> LS:
> _haver-sak_ ~ _haber-sak_ (<Haversack> ~ <Habersack> ['hQv3`zak] ~
> ['hQb3`zak]): bag for holding oats; bag containing feed hung from a
> horse's
> head; haversack (i.e., a small, stout bag carried on the back or over
> the
> shoulder, used especially by soldiers and walkers)
>
> English "haversack" is commonly said to be derived from French
> _havresac_,
> which is said to be derived from "obsolete" German _Habersack_.  I take
> particularly this last bit with a grain of salt.  I am sure there are
> still
> German dialects that have _Habersack_ (Standard German _Hafersack_
> "oats
> bag").  Furthermore, if it were a German loan I would expect a _b_ in
> the
> French and English versions.  Dutch and LS have a _v_ here
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron

Hi Ron ,
That's what i ment when i wrote to Fréderic. In The french
dictionnaries it is derived from the High-German word "Habersack"
(Robert 1994 and Larousse 2001). But i do  think it  has to be a loan
from Dutch/Flemish or LS. Most of the scolars tend to believe too often
the french books and their explinations.

groetjes
luc vanbrabant
oekene

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