LL-L "Lexicon" 2004.04.20 (09) [E]

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From: Stan Levinson <stlev99 at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2004.04.20 (05) [A/E]

Living in those kinds of buildings as a kid in Brooklyn, the stoop was an
integral part of our
existence, both as a place to sit outside, as well as the major prop in a
very important Brooklyn street game, stoop ball, in which one person would
hit the ball off the stoop and try to catch it.  I believe it was 5 points
for a bounce, 10 points on the fly (on the full), and 25 points if you hit
it off the point of the stair and caught it on the fly.  It required the use
of either a cheap 15 cent rubber ball, or, if you had come into big money, a
25 cent Spalding (called a "spaldeen" in the vernacular).  Great game.
In the early 80's I taught it to my son who happened to enjoy a small stoop
at the entrance to the house in West Los Angeles.  The hardest part was
getting him to pronounced "stoop ball" correctly (think Brooklyn).
Stan
> From: Ed Alexander <edsells at cogeco.ca>
> Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2004.04.20 (04) [E]
>
> At 10:51 AM 04/20/04 -0700, Sandy Fleming wrote:
> > > From: Reuben Epp <reuben at silk.net>
> > > Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2004.04.19 (02) [E]
> > >
> > > The word 'Stoop' is actually quite commonly-used
> in the Plautdietsch
> > > dialect. It is a step or landing before the
> entrance to a house. A more
> >
> >This would seem to relate to an (American) English
> use of the word that
> I've
> >often wondered about. In the Laurel and Hardy film
> "The Music Box", the
> long
> >flight of stairs on the grassy slope that they
> attempt to haul the piano up
> >is referred to as a "stoop".
>
> I don't know if you have that right - I'd like to
> see that myself.  I'm
> also surprised that we've had no subscribers from
> Philadelphia write in
> ......   The entire older part of the city is filled
> with block after block
> of row housing, invariably with a short set of steps
> in front known
> universally as the "front stoop."  On hot summer
> evenings, people often go
> out to "sit on the stoop" and visit.  I don't
> believe I've ever heard the
> word again since I left there.  As many of you will
> know, the city was
> founded by Quaker William Penn, but was inhabited
> originally by many
> groups, perhaps the largest of which were the
> Mennonites.  In fact, I
> believe the oldest Mennonite church building still
> in use in North America
> is somewhere in North Philly.  Interestingly, these
> Mennonites were
> primarily from the Rhineland, so perhaps the word
> has the same meaning in
> Rheinland Deutsch?
>
> Ed Alexander
>
> ----------
>
> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Lexicon
>
> This is what the American Heritage® Dictionary has
> to say about this
> "stoop":
>
> "NOUN:  _Chiefly Northeastern U.S._  A small porch,
> platform, or staircase
> leading to the entrance of a house or building."
>
> "ETYMOLOGY:  Dutch _stoep_, front verandah, from
> Middle Dutch."
>
> "REGIONAL NOTE:  Originally brought to the Hudson
> Valley of New York by
> settlers from the Netherlands, a few items of Dutch
> vocabulary have survived
> there from colonial times until the present.
> _Stoop_, “a small porch,? comes
> from Dutch _stoep_; this word is now in general use
> in the Northeast and is
> probably spreading. The word _olicook_, which
> appears to be dying out, means
>  doughnut,? and comes from Dutch
> _oliekoek_ literally, “oil cake.? And the
> Dutch word _kill_  for a small running stream is
> used throughout New York
> State."
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron
>
> ----------
>
> From: ezinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
> Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2004.04.20 (02) [A/E]
>
>
> Haai almal,
>
> Ja, Ron, as jou konsep van 'porch'  30 by 3 meter
> strek.
> Dis reg, stoep word hier ook in Engels gebruik.
>
>
> >Isn't _stoep_ (which I assume is used in South
> African English as well)
> "simply" the South African equivalent of "porch"?
>
> > The Afrikaans 'stoep' is a very large open but
> roofed veranda, and often
> > extending right around the house.
>
> Ek meen dat Afrikaans sy 'stoep' uit Engels gekry
> het. In mynbou
> terminologie
> is die 'stope' die area neffens en hoër as die skag
> waar die gouddraende
> erts
> uitgewerk word.
>
> Groete,
> Elsie Zinsser
>
> ----------
>
> From: ezinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
> Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2004.04.20 (02) [A/E]
>
> Hi all,
>
> Do you think it relates to the Afrikaans 'hurk',
> which means the same?
>
> >Glenn, apparently it *is* related to German
> _hocken_, also to Lowlands
> Saxon
> (Low German) _huken_, Dutch _huiken_ and Old Norse
> _húka_.  It is strange,
> though, that it has that _-n-_.  I wonder if it is
> related to "hock" ("joint
> in the hinder leg of a quadruped between the true
> knee and the fetlock, the
> angle of which points backward"), as in "ham hock."
>
> Cheers,
> Elsie

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