LL-L "Etymology" 2004.07.22 (12) [E]

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From: Gustaaf van Moorsel <gvanmoor at aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Etymology

My brother, visiting me from the Netherlands, brought with him
a welcome supply of stroopwafels, some of which I distributed
here among friends who I know appreciate this delicacy.  One
of them replied with "thanks for the siroopwafels", using the
word "siroop" rather than "stroop".  And yes, on the package
it clearly does say "siroopwafels" > syrup waffles, although I
don't think anybody uses that word in actual speech.

So, what is the etymology of 'stroop'?  Is it somehow derived
from 'siroop', and if so, how does an 'i' become a 't'?  Or
does it a have derivation of its own?  Do other lowland
languages have cognates of 'stroop' (= cane sugar syrup)?

Gustaaf

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From: Luc Hellinckx <luc.hellinckx at pandora.be>
Subject: Etymology

Beste Troy,

> Standard Dutch has "spin" for "spider", but "spinnekop" is
> fairly widely used I believe, at least in the north of
> Flanders (the Kempen). Is it used elsewhere in Flanders
> and/or the Netherlands?

All the possible information re "spin" can be found at
http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~jvkeymeu/cyberlemmata/nederlands/
Just click on "spin" in the left frame, and then at the bottom you can
choose what you would like to see most. For example a "sprekende kaart",
which is litterally a "talking map", showing all the different words (plus
prononciation in major cities). Etymological information is also provided.
Personally, I always say "spinnekop".

Kind greetings,

Luc Hellinckx

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From: John Duckworth <jcduckworth2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Etymology


Ron said:

"Slavonic for 'venom': Russian яд _jad_, Polish _jad_, Czech _jed_.
Related or coincidental?"

I suppose it does not necessarily preclude the possibility of a relation,
but is it not possible (likely?) that these Slavonic words derive from a
root meaning 'to eat'? (Old Bulgarian _jadu_ (with breve on the _u_) 'ate'
<*_e:d-_

Semantically it would be just as possible to derive a word for poison from
the verb 'to eat' as it would from the verb 'to give' (as in German
_Giftstoff_). The English word _poison_ too, after all, is another form of
the word _potion_; both derive from the Latin verb _pot(are)_, 'to drink'.

John Duckworth
Preston, UK

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Interesting, John!

But, 'to eat' vs 'venom':
Russian: есть jest' vs яд jad
Polish: jeść vs jad
Czech: jísti vs jed

Sure, they could be related (and, after all, there's really just a handful
of Indo-European roots when it comes down to it), but I'm not convinced at
this point.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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