LL-L "Anniversary" 2004.11.25 (03) [E]

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From: ezinsser at icon.co.za <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Anniversary" 2004.11.24 (10) [E]

Hi all,

Ron, I was wondering whether using "feral cat" (Peter Snepvangers) instead
of 'lion' in Australian English is not akin to using 'tinktinkie' for 'wren'
in an
Afrikaans translation?

Regards,
Elsie

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From: Peter Snepvangers <snepvangers at optushome.com.au>
Subject: Anniversary

From: R. F. Hahn
Are you sure "feral cat" is a good choice?  I know there are no native cats
in Australia.  But a house cat, including one that has gone wild, would
probably react in some way even if a small bird landed on its back.  It
would at least think that's a tasty little morsel.  Besides, there aren't
wrens in Australia either.  Or are there?  So why not say "lion" anyway?
What do you think?

It's your translation, Pete, but I just want to give you a tweaking hand.
:-)

Hello Ron,
I think it would be better to leave feral cat in there rather than lion.
Feral cats are a part of our Aussie culture. There are sightings of "ferals"
the size of puma. There have been instances where ferals are spotted in the
bush and are thought to be panthers, pumas and even escaped lions (from
circuses). Unfortunately the nature of our birds and indigenous flora and
fauna mean that cats that go feral can achieve huge sizes when roaming wild.
There is also a sector of our modern culture called ferals. My era (the
1970's and 1980's) referred to these good folk as bushies, greenies and
hippies or alternates. The modern Australian human "feral" is usually well
fed, well educated and has parents who are well off. We also have many wrens
here in Australia. The common wren found in suburban back yards and gardens
is usually referred to as a Jenny Wren. We also have a variety  found in
Sydney called a Fairy Wren. Ron, I tried to use ockerisms that are familiar
ie I know people who actually speak that way. The rhyming slang is used by
Ockers or Yobbos but not all the time. What I mean by this is that the
general speach seems to fluctuate in and out of certain linguistic rules and
is not set as a constant. I tried to reflect this by calling kids, as tin
lids, and also as youngunns and littleuns. I know some rhyming slang is very
common in England. I also know that some Europeans would find our Ocker
speech a little coarse or unrefined but all I can say is they should make
their way to Australia and work or mix in some country towns with a few hard
working cockies, or in a coal mining community, or a steel industry city
etc. It makes our lives colourful and enriched and is just one perspective
on the pluralist Aussie culture plus it is fun.
If you wish to change anything (eg lion) please do so, I do not mind. I will
try making a few sound files over the weekend and send them off to Henry.
Cheers
Peter Snepvangers
Sydney, NSW, Australia
snepvangers at optushome.com.au

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From: R. F. Hahn <lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net>
Subject: Anniversary

Hi, Pete!

> If you wish to change anything (eg lion) please do so, I do not mind.

I wouldn't dream of it.  I was just checking.  Your points are well taken.

Now that you mentioned "Jenny Wren," it kind of rings a bell.  I don't
know/remember if they can be seen in Western Australia as well, if I heard
about that bird only in an east coast context.

Thanks again!
Reinhard/Ron

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