LL-L "Etymology" 2004.09.01 (10) [E]

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From: Stella en Henno <stellahenno at hetnet.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.09.01 (02) [E]

> From: ezinsser at tiscali.co.za <ezinsser at tiscali.co.za>
> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.08.31 (08) [E]
>
> Hi all,
>
> Someone referred to:
>  >dike meaning embankment ?
>
> This is also a term used in rock mechanics and mining engineering and
> (before Ron jumps up
> and down about the mentioning of possible derogatory terms or
expressions),
> it refers to
> From: Philip Ernest Barber <pbarber at loc.gov>
> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.08.31 (08) [E]
>
> How about "forlorn hope" (originally Mil.: a group of men on a deparate
> defensive or offensive operation whose loss is more or less certain)
> from Dut. "verloren hoop"?

I'm pretty sure that "forlorn" is a bona fide descendant of an Old English
ancestor so this will not be a loan. It has indeed become less common due to
"to lose" becoming predominant, altough this might be of the same stem (cf
verliezen in Dutch, Grammatischer wechsel between -r- and -z- etc.). It is a
common Germanic verb (also German "verlieren" and Low Saxon "verlaizen" (in
the Groningen dialect), probably "verlezen or verleizen" or some such in
other varieties, also Scandinavian.

Henno Brandsma

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