LL-L "Syntax" 2005.08.12 (02) [E]

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From: Marsha Wilson <NanaMarsha at msn.com>
Subject: LL-L "Syntax" 2005.08.11 (07) [E]


All-American kid here.....I use "do do" and "will" as y'all have been 
talking about.  Using your example below, I would probably say "well, he 
will ride his bike too fast" with heavy emphasis on the "will."

Marsha
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  From: Andrys Onsman <Andrys.Onsman at CeLTS.monash.edu.au>

  In Australia, particularly Tasmania people do say it to emphasis that in
  fact they really do something: often if it goes against expectations.
  "You don't do it, do you?"" I (certainly) do do it."

  Is the use of will common in American English - as in commenting on a
  child who crashed, one would say "He will ride his bike far too fast "?

  Andrys
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From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Syntax" 2005.08.11 (05) [E]


Ben Bloomgren wrote:
"Criostóir, I wonder if this "do do" or "do be" thing sounds too much to us, 
at least here in America, like a kid's word like doodoo. The do be 
construction just sounds weird, and I never knew that anybody said that. It 
sounds too close to the cannabis reference."

Ben, you have just demonstrated why I love this list! I would never have 
imagined any of that.

Go raibh mile maith agat,

Criostóir.

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From: Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org>
Subject: "Syntax" [E]

> From: Crostir  Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: LL-L "Grammar" 2005.08.08 (03) [E]
>
> There is a fair amount of grammatical interference from Cornish English in
> my speech, from my mother and because I half grew up in Cornwall. Most
> obvious is my use of "do". I understand that in most Englishes the
> construction "I do do that" (i.e. "I habitually do that") sounds odd - 
> this
>
> From: Andrys Onsman <Andrys.Onsman at CeLTS.monash.edu.au>
> Subject: LL-L "Syntax" 2005.08.11 (05) [E]
>
> In Australia, particularly Tasmania people do say it to emphasis that in
> fact they really do something: often if it goes against expectations.
> "You don't do it, do you?"" I (certainly) do do it."

I think this is a different thing from what Crostir is talking about. This 
is the use of "do" for emphasis, whereas Crostir is talking about a typical 
south-west of England us of do as a "habitual" marker.

This "habitual 'do'" is pronounced without emphasis /d@'du:/, whereas the 
"emphatic 'do'" is pronounced with emphasis. Shakespeare uses this "habitual 
'do'" and Shakespearian actors generally pronounce it with emphasis, which 
makes it sound wrong to west countrymen.

We use the emphatic construction in Scots although since these days the 
auxiliary "do" in Scots has its own form the construction is "I div dae 
that".

Sandy
http://scotstext.org/

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