LL-L "Language use" 2005.07.18 (02) [E]

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A=Afrikaans Ap=Appalachian B=Brabantish D=Dutch E=English F=Frisian
L=Limburgish LS=Lowlands Saxon (Low German) N=Northumbrian
S=Scots Sh=Shetlandic V=(West)Flemish Z=Zeelandic (Zeêuws)
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From: Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org>
Subject: "Language use" [E]

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> From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: LL-L "Language use" 2005.07.17 (04) [E]
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> Paul Finlow-Bates wrote:
> "It would, of course, be illegal in Australia to discriminate against
> potential employees on ethnic grounds anyway."

In English (and presumably Scottish) discrimination legislation there's such 
a thing as a "genuine occupational qualification".

For example, you can insist on an actor being of the appropriate gender or 
racial appearance for the part they're playing, if it's relevant.

You can insist on prison officers in men's prisons to be male and in women's 
prisons to be female (in fact, you have to).

I imagine this would apply in other countries too, but if I recall correctly 
it doesn't go as far as allowing people in the catering industry to 
advertise ethnic preferences in setting up themed pubs and restaurants. You 
don't have to be Chinese to cook or serve Chinese food.

Sandy
http://scotstext.org/

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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Language use" 2005.07.15 (08) [E]

Dear Paul and Ron,

(sorry- I'm a bit late with my answer because of a technical problem)

Paul wrote:
> Perhaps speakers of various non-mainstream Lowlands dialects can help me.
> How do you feel about foreigners attempting the tongue (as opposed to, for
> example, speaking standard German or Dutch)?

and Ron:
> My prediction is that in most contexts most Low Saxon (Low German)
> speakers
> in Northern Germany would have any of the following reactions or mixtures
> thereof: astonishment, amazement, amusement and enjoyment,

I guess it depending on the special situation and circumstances. If You are
supposed to spend a more or less long time within a LS-community people will
enjoy Your attempts and they will help You to learn their tongue. They even
could be more engaged with a foreigner than with any 'normal'
High-German-speaker, because they could aspect Your attempts as a gesture of
respect for their life and language.

As I wrote earlier, in our region we have many Dutch (-Frisian) farmers, who
live among the natives for decades, partly in the third generation already.
Their first language with their German neighbours and collegues was LS, long
before they could speak an acceptable (High-)German.

As I already remarked in the past: try to become member or friend of a
community and You will find the key for every language.
But this also works the reverse way.

Greutens/Regards

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

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