LL-L "Phonology" 2005.03.10 (07) [E]

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From: Helge Tietz <helgetietz at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2005.03.09 (09) [E]


Perhaps we have to add the achter-pronunciation of the Rendsborg-district in
Slesvig-Holsten which is actually "aster" instead of "achter', at least I
was raised with that passed on from my mother's family. In the
Low-Franconian-dialects around Moenchengladbach-Krefeld there occurs also a
ch[x]-dropping in words such light, right and after, which corresponds there
as "leet", "reit" and "etter" ("maak et leet ut", "etter 'm waerrem oeffke"
etc.).

Groeten

Helge


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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Phonology

There is another case in which in the Low German branch of language
varieties /p/ alternates with /x/ (<ch>):

Dutch:
to buy: kopen
I buy: ik koop
you buy: jij koopt
he buys: hij koopt
we buy: wij kopen
I have bought: ik heb gekocht

Low Saxon (North Saxon, Germany) (_kôpe-_ > _koupe-_ >):
to buy: koypen <köpen>
I buy: ik koyp <ik kööp>
you buy: du köfst <du köffst>
he buys: hey köft <he köfft>
we buy: wy koypt ~ koypen
I have bought: ik hev/heb köft <ik heff/hebb köfft>*

* Some dialect have _koypt_ <kööpt>.

As you can see above, /p/ here changes to /f/ where a long vowel (or a
diphthong) is shortened (which is ordinary in the second and third person
singular, not ordinary in the past participle).  In Dutch, where this /p/ ->
/f/ shift occurred in the past participle, this /f/ then developed into /x/.

What I find puzzling is that the shift /f/ > /x/ seems to occur sporadically
rather than regularly within the Low German group.  It seems to eminate from
the west, possibly from the Low Franconian area.  Forms like (_luft_ >)
_lucht_ 'air' and (_koft_ >) _kocht_ 'bought' may occur in the westernmost
Low Saxon dialects (also in Germany, assumedly those under continuing or
previous domination of Dutch), are unknown farther east, but certain words
have shifted pretty much throughout Low Saxon, such as (_after_ >) _achter_
'after' (with some variants like _aster_ mentioned by Helge above).  I
wonder if there is any explanation for this.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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