LL-L "Grammar" 2005.03.29 (02) [E]

[Lowlands-L]

======================================================================
L O W L A N D S - L * 29.MAR.2005 (02) * ISSN 189-5582 * LCSN 96-4226
http://www.lowlands-l.net * lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net
Rules & Guidelines: http://www.lowlands-l.net/index.php?page=rules
Posting: lowlands-l at listserv.linguistlist.org or
lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net Server Manual:
http://www.lsoft.com/manuals/1.8c/userindex.html
Archives: http://listserv.linguistlist.org/archives/lowlands-l.html
Encoding: Unicode (UTF-8) [Please switch your view mode to it.]
=======================================================================
You have received this because you have been subscribed upon request.
To unsubscribe, please send the command "signoff lowlands-l" as message
text from the same account to listserv at listserv.linguistlist.org or
sign off at http://linguistlist.org/subscribing/sub-lowlands-l.html.
=======================================================================
A=Afrikaans Ap=Appalachian B=Brabantish D=Dutch E=English F=Frisian
L=Limburgish LS=Lowlands Saxon (Low German) N=Northumbrian
S=Scots Sh=Shetlandic V=(West)Flemish Z=Zeelandic (Zeêuws)
=======================================================================

From: "Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc." <roger.thijs at euro-support.be>
Subject: Grammar

Why does inversion often have a so a significant effect on the "verb -
personal pronoun" combination, as if it were subjected to special rules?

In my West-Limburgish e.g. we replace "hië" (he) with "er" when inverting.

Hië és doeë gewès (He has been there)
Es-t-er doë gewès? (Has he been there?)

For the second pronoun we have a contraction:

Dzjië zit doeë gewès (You have been there)
Zie (quite long ie) doeë gewès? (Have you been there?)

Curiously in West Flemish they repeat the Flemish "je" with the Brabantish
"gie":
"Ejje gie da noadig?" (Do you need [to know] that?)
(cf ./ text below pasted from the "Westvlams" list.)
LES WESTVLAAMS
Zoon: "Moedre, oe skrievje tetten?"
Waarop moeder: "Emoa joengne, wuk ne parlee;
Woa voarn ejje gie da noadig?"
Zoon: "Voar in mien ipstel van 't schole, kwille skrievn:
Voadre ee nen nieuwn trekteur gekocht en tetten nog niemand gezien".

Does inversion generally have similar effects in lowland languages?

Regards,
Roger

----------

From: heather rendall <HeatherRendall at compuserve.com>
Subject: LL-L "Grammar" 2005.03.28 (05) [E]

From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: GrammarMessage text written by INTERNET:lowlands-l at LOWLANDS-L.NET
>My family lives on three continents.
* My family live on three continents.<

Now there's a good example. I understand two very different things here. I
wonder if others do too?

>My family lives on three continents. i.e. have 3 houses,  one on each
continent, and move as a whole group from one to the other

* My family live on three continents.< i.e.  various individual members of
my family live on one of three continents.

Thus the power of a verb ending!

Heather

PS
Jim Krause says he doesn't like  "The group have not been able to make up
its mind" . he'd prefer 'make up their minds' - which I agree with: a poor
example from me. Perhaps " The group have not been able to make (or take?)
a decision"  would have been better.

================================END===================================
* Please submit postings to lowlands-l at listserv.linguistlist.org.
* Postings will be displayed unedited in digest form.
* Please display only the relevant parts of quotes in your replies.
* Commands for automated functions (including "signoff lowlands-l") are
  to be sent to listserv at listserv.linguistlist.org or at
  http://linguistlist.org/subscribing/sub-lowlands-l.html.
======================================================================