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From: Kevin and Cheryl Caldwell <kevin.caldwell1963 at verizon.net>
Subject: LL-L "History" 2005.09.22 (04) [E]

> From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: LL-L "History" 2005.09.21 (08) [E]
>
> I get the impression that Germans exhibit the same sort of "Russian Doll"
> loyalties that the English have; a man is a Yorkshireman in the presence
> of
> somebody from Lancashire, but they are both Northerners if a Londoner
> turns
> up.  Then they are English when a Scot or a Welshman comes in - until an
> American arrives, then they are British.
>
> I don't think the other UK nations have this hierarchy to the same extent,
> and I don't know of it in many other countries.  Germany appears to be 
> one,
> and possibly the USA with State and regional loyalties falling under an
> American blanket.
>
> Paul

Yes, very true in the US. To non-Americans, all Americans are Yankees (or 
Yanks), but to Southerners, a Yankee is someone from the northern states. To 
Northerners a Yankee is someone from New England. To New Englanders, a 
Yankee is someone from Maine. (At least, that's the way the joke goes).

As a Southerner, I don't mind it when a non-American calls me a Yankee, but 
no American had better do so.

There are also other regional and interstate, even intrastate, rivalries, 
often based on which college or university one attended (college sports 
rivalries being very big here).

Kevin Caldwell

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From: Isaac M. Davis <isaacmacdonalddavis at gmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "History" 2005.09.22 (04) [E]


Paul Finlow-Bates wrote:

> I don't think the other UK nations have this hierarchy to the
> same extent, and I don't know of it in many other
> countries.  Germany appears to be one, and possibly the USA
> with State and regional loyalties falling under an American
> blanket.

Yeah, Americans and Canadians do it too. There's less of the first, local 
step, though, unless there's some particular rivalry or dislike between the 
two localities in question. If there is, then certainly, I'm from Kingston 
and you're from Napanee, don't get us confused!

Kind of silly, if you ask me, but it's the sort of thing I joke about with 
people I like (even those crazy Napaneeites).

Isaac M. Davis

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From: Ben J. Bloomgren <Ben.Bloomgren at asu.edu>
Subject: LL-L "History" 2005.09.22 (04) [E]

I get the impression that Germans exhibit the same sort of "Russian Doll"
loyalties that the English have;

Paul, Ron and all, what is the reference to "Russian doll" loyalties? Does
Russia have the same sort of hierarchy? I'm from "Little Town" first, then
I'm from Moscow, then whatever Oblast and then Russia?
Ben

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: History

Hi, Ben!

The Russian mатрешка-кукла _matrjoška kulka_ or "matryoshka doll" is a set 
of nested hollow wooden dolls roughly shaped like a woman and painted as 
such, usually in traditional costume.  A smaller doll is contained in a 
larger doll, and this goes on several times.

This is often taken as a metaphor, as you can probably figure out now.  It 
does not necessarily have any real connection with Russia.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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