LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.12.13 (01) [E/F/LS]

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L O W L A N D S - L * 13 December 2006 * Volume 01
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From: helgetietz at YAHOO.COM
Subject: Etymology

The word "to take" was introduced from Scandinavia into the English
language, there it is commonly "tar" as e.g. Swedish "Jag tar en av dina
cykler" and to me that somehow sounds more related to Westphalian  "tein"
for  " to pull" (instead of trecken as it is further North), in standart
German it is "ziehen". I can see a connection there  rather than "to touch".

[Helge Tietz]

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From:  <helgetietz at YAHOO.COM>luc.hellinckx at GMAIL.COM
Subject: Etymology

Hi Gabriele,

You wrote:

> Not to forget the good old Northern German verbs "antatschen" and
> "betatschen", both denoting unwelcoe touches, fondling etc.

This would be "over-fampeln" in Brabantish, note the similarity with
English "to fumble" and Danish "famle", to grope.

Dutch "tikken" (to tap (E)), becomes "tèkken", and since we pronounce a
short "i" very sharp (not the rounded Flemish/Scottish way), the word
can only be derived of something that would sound like "takken" in
standard Dutch, which sounds logical for a word pair, "takken" for the
physical act of lightly tapping something/somebody, "taken" for the
abstraction.

Greetings,

Luc Hellinckx

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

If German (an-)tatschen is a cognate of "take" seems highly doubtful to me.
For one thing, k > tsch is not a regular shift in the language.

I rather suspect that it is an English loan, namely from "touch."

Cheerio!

Reinhard/Ron

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From: info at STELLINGWERFS-EIGEN.NL <luc.hellinckx at GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Etymology

Henno skreau yn syn andert op Jonny syn _to take_:
> Yn it Westerlauwer Frysk bestiet it wurd (frij seldsum)
> "take" [ta:k@], dat neffens it Frysk Hanwurdboek
> "kapen, heimelijk wegnemen" betsjut. Dêr stiet ek as oersetting
> "taken" neamd, mar dat Nederlânske wurd kin ik net.
Dat _taken_ betsjut yn it Nederlânsk domwei: nemen, grijpen.
E: _to take_ en ús Frysk: _take(n)_ moatte wol hast 100% wis, famylje fan
inoar wêze, soene je sizze.
It wurkwurd _taken_ wurdt indie hjir yn Fryslân nea brûkt.
(It apesturtsje yn it fonetisch moat neffen my een omkearde 'e' wêze. Kin 'k
sa vlug net fine.)
Mei groetnis út de Stellingwerven (ek Fryslân),
Piet Bult

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From: info at STELLINGWERFS-EIGEN.NL
Subject: Etymology

Theo schreef:
> Dutch: 'tuk hebben'. [tuk zijn op = to be keen on.]
"Hi'j is d'r tuk op" ken ik wel mar "iene tuk hebben" wodt bi'j oons aorig
meer bruukt veur 'iene veur de gek holen' (D: beetnemen). "Ik hadde him
lekker tuk."
En een tukkien doen = (kot) slaopen.
Mit een vrundelike groet uut Stellingwarf,
Piet Bult

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From: heatherrendall at TISCALI.CO.UK
Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.12.12 (01) [E]
 jonny  writes

>I remembered an LS-expression of my youth: _ticken_, even 'Ticken spielen',
>which exactly means 'to touch (someone)'. We used this word when we played
>different outdoor-games; if you 'ticked' someone you symbolically had
>captured him.

Jonny

This game is called 'Tig' in English playgrounds! Isn't that great - we have
lost all other original meanings / words but the children have kept this
one alive!
Brilliant!

Heather

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From: heatherrendall at TISCALI.CO.UK
Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.12.12 (01) [E]

: jonny wrote
>
>I remembered an LS-expression of my youth: _ticken_, even 'Ticken spielen',
>which exactly means 'to touch (someone)'. We used this word when we played
>different outdoor-games; if you 'ticked' someone you symbolically had
>captured him.

re the game of 'Tig' - I was talking this over with my mother (90yrs old)
and she remembered it as 'Tag' instead.
We then wondered whether 'to tag along' or 'to tag on to someone' were
related
- with the idea of touching and taking hold of someone  and not letting go.
......( like the magic goose story!)

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From: arthur.jones at yahoo.com
 Subject: Etymology

 Hails Saiwslandarjos,

Many have written good and intriguing things about _take_ and its
etymological roots in lowlands Germanic predecessors and cousins.

 The Gothic (mid-fourth century Current Era) featured _niman_ for take, and
_tekan_ for touch or grope or grab. As a cultural matter, my Ostrogoth
friends tell me that there is scant difference in practice. What they can
touch, they take.

 And, equally important, they report no experience with _unwanted touches,
fondling_ , in contrast to Gabriele. Are you talking about the North
Germanic experience, Gabriele, or about relationships that have gone South
(anasunthras)?

 Groeten,

 Arthur A. Jones
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