LL-L "Anniversary" 2006.03.20 (03) [A/E]

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21 March 2006 * Volume 03
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From: Marcel Bas <marcelbas at gmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Anniversary" 2006.03.20 (08) [E]


Dear Ron

>Tsk, tsk ... You're not only out of practice but also out of touch, buddy.
>(That's what happens to naughty boys that jump off.)  I suggest you go back
>to our homepage ( http://www.lowlands-l.net/) and read up on aims and 
>rules.

Ek is so jammer, mr Hahn! Gestroop van alle waardigheid sit en skeur ek hier 
my klere en gooi ek as op my hoof...

>English is one of the members of the Lowlands family, and as such, South
>African English is relevant and of interest, doubly so considering its
>contacts with Afrikaans.

I know. That is, a couple of days ago  -- I went through the renewed site's 
rules and aims more attentively, and voilà, there was English. Let me guess; 
it English a Lowlandic language because it originates from the flat lands of 
Schleswig-Holstein? In the past I thought you might only be interested in 
Lallands et al.

Thanks for the info on the digital recorders! You're right, I will be 
traveling with a laptop, so the recorder won't need so many gadgets.

The next thing I have to find out is if English speaking South Africans know 
what a wren is. Chances are that, if they do, they have given the bird its 
Afrikaans name ('winterkoninkie') as they tend to do with many animals and 
plants. Provided that it is indigenous to SA.

Regards,

Marcel.

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From: Ben J. Bloomgren <Ben.Bloomgren at asu.edu>
Subject: LL-L "Anniversary" 2006.03.20 (09) [E]

"Dear Ron, I
am absolutely tickled pink with my new name, especially with the uki'uki
part") and Heather (a.k.a. Pualalokupukupu: "I love it!  I shall adopt it
instantly and insist on being called nothing else when I am carrying my
large bag brought back from Hawaii by my daughter last year and filling up
the bird feeder coconut (same source) and wearing my lei/beads (ditto)").

Ron, be careful! The 'Io part of my name tells you that I might come by and
scare those birds out. If you scare your feeder birds, they'll stay birdy
and won't get tamed. Clap! Stomp! Cluck! Woosh!
Ben

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Anniversary

Marcel:

> Ek is so jammer, mr Hahn! Gestroop van alle waardigheid sit en skeur ek
> hier my klere en gooi ek as op my hoof...

Ja, laat jou hoof hang in skande, jonge man!  And get with the program! 
Andersins sal jou droom van 'n hawaiese naam vir ewig alleen 'n droom bly.

> Let me guess; it English a Lowlandic language because it originates from 
> the
> flat lands of Schleswig-Holstein?  In the past I thought you might only be
> interested in Lallands et al.

Well, yes, Old English (the ancestor of both English and Scots) is in large 
part derived from Old Frisian and Old Saxon, probably from other old 
Lowlands varieties as well.  This is why on our homepage it says, "Also 
included are those languages that descended from autochtonous Lowlands 
languages and are used elsewhere; for example, Afrikaans, Lowlands-based 
emigrant languages, pidgins and creoles, and also English and Scots."

(I see we use "autochthonous" ... Oops!)

In fact, we include all contact languages based Lowlands languages as well, 
such as Tok Pisin, Vlaaitaal, Oorlams, Tsotsitaal, Berbice, Pijin, Petjoh, 
Virgin Island Creole, Bislama, Hawai'i Creole, Australian Kriol, China Coast 
Pidgin, Samamá English), or language varieties with Lowlandic substrates 
(e.g., Missingsch, Fryslân-Stedsk, North American Dutch).

> Thanks for the info on the digital recorders! You're right, I will be 
> traveling
> with a laptop, so the recorder won't need so many gadgets.

Much depends on the length of time you expect to be away from your laptop, 
also on the number of speakers and the length of interviews between 
uploading.  An eight-hour memory one will do just fine I believe.  After 
uploading and backing up, you can erase all recordings stored in the 
recorder and start recording again.  When you're ready to edit the uploaded 
recordings, I highly recommend using the FREE cross-platform sound editing 
and converting program Audacity (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/) as long 
as it is free.  I love it.  Obviously, my recommendation goes to all 
Lowlanders.

> The next thing I have to find out is if English speaking South Africans 
> know what a wren is.

Elsie translated it as _bostinktinkie_ (Cistiola, 
http://www.lowlands-l.net/anniversary/index.php?page=afrikaans, 
http://www.lowlands-l.net/anniversary/index.php?page=griekwa).  Depending on 
the languages anywhere in the world, people are free to substitute 'wren' 
and 'lion', using whatever local equivalents.  So, in the Australian version 
it's a wren and a feral cat, in the Cape Barren Australian version a 
moonbird and a Tasmanian devil, in one of the Appalachian versions a wren 
and a wildcat, in the Latin one a sparrow (_passer_) and a lion, in the 
Indonesian version a Java sparrow and a lion, and in the Maori version a 
grey warbler and a dog.

Other possibilities for Afrikaans perhaps:

Pitta, Angolapitta (_Pitta angolensis_)
Koester (Pipit, _Anthus (pseudosimilis)_)
(Gewone) Kwikkie (Cape Wagtail, _Motacilla capensis_) [!!!]
Kliplyster (Thrush, _Monticola_)
Grysmees (Tit, _Anthoscopus_)
Spreeu (Myna, Starling, _Acridotheres tristis_)
Mossie ((Cape) Sparrow, _Passer melanurus_)

Ben:

> Ron, be careful! The 'Io part of my name tells you that I might come by 
> and
> scare those birds out. If you scare your feeder birds, they'll stay birdy
> and won't get tamed. Clap! Stomp! Cluck! Woosh!

Ah, but you're way too nice a hawk for that!  Bear in mind that the _lani_ 
part stands for 'celestial' and 'majestic', or 'chief-like'.  So you'd 
better conduct yourself accordingly.  Besides, I know that if you do scare 
any feeder birds they probably had it coming.

Aloha,
Reinhard/Ron 

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