LL-L "Lexicon" 2006.03.31 (06) [D/E]

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31 March 2006 * Volume 06
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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2006.03.31 (02) [E]

I know the Sranan Tongo word for future: it's "toekomst".
Yes, it's the same as in Dutch, like so many abstract words in Sranan.
So when your "cooleague" thinks those Negroe compatriots of his don't
think about the future, he should ask himself if Sarnami uses a Hindi or
Sanskrit word for Future, or has a real word of its own...

Later!
Ingmar
>
>From: Marcel Bas <marcelbas at gmail.com>
>Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2006.03.30 (05) [E]
>
>Hi, all.
>
>A colleague of mine, he is a Hindu from Surinam, has command of several
>languages in Surinam: Dutch, Sarnami (derived from North Indian Hindi
>dialects) and Sranantongo (English based Creole, also referred to as
>'Taki-Taki' or Negerengels [Negro English]).
>
>Once he had been fully introduced to my keen interest in languages, he
asked
>me to look up on some Sranantongo translations of several words the
>Internet. I found them all, but he was up to something: the last word he
>asked was 'Future'. I searched and searched, but I couldn't find it. He
>said, chuckling: "You see? That's what I wanted to show you: they don't
>think about the future, so they don't have a word for it."
>Obviously, the Sarnami word for 'future' did exist.
>
>What I want to know is whether it is true that this word does not exist in
>Sranantongo. If not, is it perhaps culturally determined? I can imagine
>that, since most Subsaharan tribes -- their ancestors -- had not been
>touched (or corrupted) by the agricultural revolution, they did not have
to
>deal with long-term planning for survival purposes.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Marcel.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Lexicon

'FUTURE':

SARNAMI: आने वाल टेम (āne wāla ţem)

HINDI: आगामी समय (āgāmī samay), भविष्य (bhavişya)

SANSKRIT: आगामिन् (āgāmin), अनागत (anāgata), अपर (apara), आयत (āyata), आयति 
(āyati), आयत्ति (āyatti), भाविन् (bhāvin), भविष्णु (bhavişnu), भविष्य 
(bhavişya), भविष्यत् (bhavişyat), भवित्र् (bhavitŗ), भवीत्व (bhavītva), भव्य 
(bhavya), etc.

आवना āwnā >आने āne: come, coming
आगामिन् (āgāmin) > आगामी (āgāmī): come, coming
समय (samaya) > समय (samay): occasion, time
भविष्य (bhavişya): that which is to come
अनागत (anāgata): not come, unknown
अपर (apara): posterior, posterity
आयत (āyata): extended, long
आयति (āyati): extending
आयत्ति (āyatti): length, extension
भाविन् (bhāvin): becoming
भविष्णु (bhavişnu): what is to become, the impending
भविष्य (bhavişya): what is to become, the impending
भविष्यत् (bhavişyat): about to become or be
भवित्र् (bhavitŗ): what is or ought to become or be , future , imminent
भवीत्व (bhavītva): future
भव्य (bhavya): o be about to be or become
वाल (vāla) > वाल (wāla)?: said to be

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From: Stellingwerfs Eigen <info at stellingwerfs-eigen.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2006.03.31 (02) [E]

Marcel Bas wrote:
> What I want to know is whether it is true that this word does not exist in
> Sranantongo. If not, is it perhaps culturally determined?

Beste Marcel (en aanderen),
(I'm sorry but Marcel told me, he rather would learn some Stellingwarfs
so...)
Dat niet alle woorden een geliekese (equivalent) hebben in aandere taelen
komt neffens mi'j vule vaeker veur as daj' daenken. Mit oons
biebelvertaelwark hewwe ok hiel vaeke dawwe gien ien op ien woord vertaelen
kunnen, bi'jglieks _rein_ en _onrein_ (schone, zuver... nee) of et al es
eerder nuumde _klied_ (hoele?) dat de oolde Israëlieten dreugen as
kleraosie.
Op internet kwam ik disse tegen: good old 'ginch' which is also known in
some circles as 'gonch'. Classic Canadian slang, it makes mere underwear so
much more cute. But the fascinating thing about ginch or gonch is that it so
very well defines Canada. In Manitoba and parts of central Canada, it's
known as 'gitch' and 'gotch'. Quebec has no translation for the word and in
Newfoundland they've never even heard of it!
De Duutsers schienen et woord _service_ giendertied vertaeld te hebben.
_Gefälligkeit_ komt nog et dichtste bi'j, he'k begrepen. En et Russische
_mir_ betekent oorsponkelik _gemeenschop_ of _verbond_ en nog niet zo hiel
lange is daor _vrede_ bi'jkommen, toch...?
Zollen dit soorste verschiensels ok vaeks niet behept wezen mit poletieke en
sociaole (aachtergrond) idenen, eerder as mit geologische ligging? Zol oonze
oolde Nederlaanse handelsgeest d'r niet toe bi'jdreugen hebben dat wi'j
riekelik veurzien binnen van alderhaande woorden die we al hiel vroeg 'pikt'
hebben?
Mit een vrundelike groet uut Stellingwarf (Fryslân),
Piet Bult 

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