LL-L "Etymology" 2007.11.09 (06) [D/E]

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From: Roland Desnerck <desnerck.roland at skynet.be>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.11.09 (04) [E]

Beste allen,
Zo'n klip, een "onderzeewaterrots", noemen wij te Oostende: e blénde sjhêr.
Een arduinen tegelvloer is in het West-Vlaams: e sjhorre.
De bloem uit het Zwin (oude zeeboezem die vroeger van Brugge tot bij Knokke
liep) heet lamsoor; in ons dialect heet die bloem "sjhorreblomme" of
"zwieneblomme".
Het Nederlands schoor is ook een steunbalk, in ons dialect "sjhoerienge".
Doet mij hieraan denken: schouders (shoulders) steunen toch ook; daar zou
wel eens een verband met "schoren kunnen zijn. Schouders zijn bij ons
trouwens: sjhoeres!
Toetnoasteki,
Roland Desnerck

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From: wim <wkv at home.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.11.09 (04) [E]

From wkv at home.nl  wim verdoold zwolle netherlands

Hi,

The latin word for Stone comes to mind, saxum

Knives used to be made of stone, might that be connected too?

wim [Verdoold]

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Folks,

I wrote today:

   - German: O. *scâra* ~ *skâr* -> *skâri* (pl.) > Mid. *schære *> Mod.
   *Schere*, Alemannic *Schär*
   - German: Mid. *schære* > Yiddish שער *sher*
   - > Slovenian *škárje*, Croatian *škare* (cf. Serbian *маказе makaze*),
   Sami *skár'rit ~ skierat* (pl. -*(V)t*), Estonian *käärid* (pl. *-(i)d
   *)

I failed to mention that the words in the last line all mean 'scissors'.

Ditto here:

   - Czech *nůžky* (< "knives"), Slovak *nožnice*, Russian *ножницы **
   nožnicy*, Ukrainian *ножіці **nožycy* ("little knives")

Please note that these and the other words I mentioned encompass the
semantic range of *'cut' and *'shears' ~ *'scissors'. Furthermore,
apparently they are related to words in the *'short' range as well (and to
words derived from these); cf.

   - English: O. *sc(e)ort* > Mid. *s(c)hort* > Mod. *short*
   - Frisian: O. *kort* > *kort*
   - Saxon: O. *kurt* > *kurt ~ kort ~ kott*
   - Dutch: *kort, schorten*
   - German: O. *scorz* ~ *kurz* > *kurz*
   - Norse: *kortr* > *kort*

These are related to *shirt* and *skirt*, also with German *Scherz* 'joke'
(< "little piece"), and they all go back to Germanic **skerd-* <
**sker-*'to cut' < Indo-European *
*ker-*, **sker-*.

There is a relationship between the above and words of the (*sceard* >)
"shard" ~ "sherd" group; e.g., Frisian (*skerd *>) W. *skird, *N. *skaard**,
schaard*, *scherd*), Low Saxon (*skard* >) *schaard* (*Schaart, Schort*,
etc.), Dutch (*scharde* ~ *schart* >) *schaard*, etc.

Wim, I'm not sure if Latin *saxum* falls into this category, but it may
well. It is related to the **sek-* 'to cut' group (as in *section* for
instance and most other Romance and also Celtic word related to "cut"), to
which also the *scythe* subgroup belongs, as well as Old English *secg
*'sword'.
If *saxum* does belong to this, this would be interesting in that it might
take us back to the use of stone tools.

Again, note how many words are related with each other and what this may
entail regarding the vocabulary size of the the ancestral languages.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
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