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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.01.06 (03) [E]

From: R. F. Hahn < sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Folks,

I wonder if "spring" for a water source is primarily a Saxonism.

Modern English and Modern Low Saxon have this word alone (non-compound) with
this meaning in common. .....

Any input would be welcome.

Reinhard/Ron

Is "spring" as in to leap or bound from a similar origin (i.e. the water
"leaps" out of the ground)?

Paul

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From: Ed Alexander <edsells at cogeco.ca>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.01.06 (06) [E]

At 06:56 PM 06/01/2008 -0800, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:

 The Dutch and Afrikaans suffixing of a word for "people" seems to be being
"reenacted" these days in American English, where the use of an older polite
form did away with the distinction between singular and plural, and the
plural is now being restored by the addition of "guys" to "you." If this
becomes formalized, English may end up with "you" for the singular and with
something like *"youguys" for the plural.


I don't know where youseguys get some of your ideas, but "youseguys,"
"youguys" and "yall" have been a very normal part of American English for
centuries and I doubt if they were "invented" on this side of the pond.  In
Canadian English, "youseguys" is disappearing in favour of "youguys",
probably because it seems less "vulgar."  These are not "new" forms, but old
forms that are being suppressed in all their forms.

Though I use you guys to speak of second person plural, I haven't any
objections to yall or even you all. When I hear you all with the two words
clearly demarcated, I think of a much larger group of people included in the
second person plural than I do when I hear yall without the demarcation.


Quite right.  Unlike "youseguys", "yall" can be addressed to just one
person!

Ed Alexander

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From: Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.01.04 (06) [E]

Hi all,

Thanks, Diederik, Marcel and Mark for the Afrikaans words relating to *
Indo-European:*

* ***leudh-* 'to go freely', 'to grow'** > *leudho *'people'.

>And I just noticed that apparently Dutch is the only Germanic/W.European
language that does not use the latin word "muscle" but "spier". Anyone knows
other Germanic languages that use a more "original" word?

I would think 'bil' is quite an interesting meaning of muscle too besides
'spier'?

Cheers,

E Zinsser

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