LL-L "Etymology" 2008.01.23 (01) [E]

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From: Maria Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.01.22 (02) [E]

Hi all,

Interesting word which I know from my children's
German speaking grandmother as in:
'Der hat mich aus 200 Rand verschummelt!'

She grew up in Offenburg (Baden-Würtenberg) but had
many Jiddish speaking friends.

Elsie

[So what if it's related to iterative *schummel*~ *schommel*? And
might"scam" be related to it too? Again, the *OED* says its origin is
obscure, but it seems to be ofAmerican origin and has been attested only
since the early 20th century. Mightit be a variant of "sham" which has been
known since the 17th century(an era of many Dutch loans, by the way)? Is
there a Dutch word * *scham* or **schom*,old or new, that might be related?
(I don't think that the "shame"group is related to it, though.)]

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From: Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.01.22 (04) [E]

Liewe Geledere:

Onderwerp: LL-L "Etymology"]

Reinhardus schreef:

"schummeln:

1.      reinigen, schoonmaken (to clean)

2.      kuirpas, op zijn gemak wandelen (to amble, to walk in a sloppy way)

3.      oblichten (voornamelijk in spelen) [> *schummeln* Missingsch en
andere Noordduitse dialecten] (to cheat (especially in games))"

Ingmar skryf:
Wow, that is funny! In colloquial Dutch "sjoemelen" means to cheat, it's
kind of a slang word, and I always assumed it to be from Yiddish.

Mark skryf:
Wat van Afrikaans skommel (scramble, as in 'scrambled eggs')?

Now can't we say that the worsd 'scramble' & 'skommel' & all the rest are
(distantly) connected?

Die Uwe,
Mark

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Hi, Mark!

I consider it entirely possible that Afrikaans *skommel* is related to this
complex, probably in the sense of "stir around" ("to move back and forth
quickly").

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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From: Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.01.22 (06) [D/E]

 Dear Ronald Veenker:

Subject: LL-L "Etymology"

Your entry:
Just for the fun of it, etymologically speaking, the Hebrew _mazal_ is
derived from the Babylonian word _manzazzu_ "constellation."  I wish I
could trace that for you, but my Assyrian Dictionary is currently in
storage.  I used to be to account for the _lamed_ in mazal... can you
or Ron help me with this one?

Hi Ronald!

My 'authority' that mazal refers to celestial destiny rests only on the
Jewish sources, but I wouldn't on any account discount the information for
that reason: After all, they are bough of the same branch, Jews & Assyrians.

However, from my Akkadian Grammar, 'Lehrbuch des Akkadischen'
(Riemschneider) the entry "Manzazu [neo-Babylonian]" refers me to the entry
"Mazzizu [neo Babylonian] 'Standing' or 'Established', offering for example,
the mid-Assyryrian construction 'mazziz pani' for a courtier or official,
deriving from the same in neo-Babylonian, 'manzaz pani'. That's all.

By the way I enjoy it's situation in the same cluster as 'mezzuza'. Do you
have them up on your door-frames?

By the way, I rather enjoy your cognomon, 'Now & Zen'.

Yrs,
Mark
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