LL-L "Anthems" 2009.02.15 (01) [E]

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L O W L A N D S - L - 15 February 2009 - Volume 01
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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Anthems" 2009.02.14 (07) [E]

Luc,

Currently, the Scottish Parliament has no jurisdiction on foreign or
immigration policy, something the Scottish Nationalists would naturally like
to change.

Paul

Derby

England

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From: Tom Carty <cartyweb at hotmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Anthems" 2009.02.14 (07) [E]

As reguards passport control, all Britain is one, there is no autonomy...

Tom

Poetry on all topics...
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From: M.-L. Lessing <marless at gmx.de>
Subject: LL-L "Anthems" 2009.02.14 (06) [E]

Of course Scotland has its own soccer team!!, and I hope you all know the
charming "anthem" the charming Mc Calmans made for them? If not, click here
http://www.marless.de/scotland. (I'll delete it soon again.)

What a beautiful season that was altogether, especially for football fans!
You all remember the nation that finally won in Italy? :-) It was the nation
that later sent the hapless Berti Vogts to Scotland :-))

And how long ago...! Can it be that we are growing old?! :-)

Hartlich!

Marlou

From: Tom Mc Rae <thomas.mcrae at bigpond.com>
Subject: LL-L "Anthems" 2009.02.14 (02) [E/LS]

Scotland of course also fields its own soccer team, for all the good it has
done them :-)

The people are fitbaw daft and will start brawls in pubs arising from
disagreements on teams. Despite all the fanaticism they have not won an
International in years

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From: James Wilson <jawi2300 at gmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Anthems" 2009.02.14 (06) [E]

Hi Lowlanders,

Interesting link Ron.  Our Kingdom. And United Kingdom.  It will be
interesting to see how the relationship of Scotland and Wales to the
Hanoverian Royal house of England develops!

"..they still look like the conquerors and in the process lose the

official identity of their own country."

Well, Ron they are the conquerors and if they are losing an official
identity it is probably because they never had an official one.  If
they ever tried, the hornets nest would really explode.  There are
many areas or regions within the political boundary of England who do
not identify with the 'English' precisely because of "...the rich
cultural and linguistic heritage..." you mention.  But also, because
of political and economical clout, or the lack of it.  The three
largest areas by population of England also have the top three spots
in GDP (source=wikipedia) and that is the south eastern corner of
England.  Culturally and linguistically (and historically) the North
East of England has more in common with Southern Scotland, than it it
does with the South East of England.

As this list is related to Lowland languages, it is this aspect that
intrigues me most and the reason for my joining the list.  Language
gives identity and the imposition of another language (and it's
associated culture) creates a false identity, which suppresses the
original.  I can sympathise with the Scots animosity towards anything
English, including the national anthem 'God Save the Queen', as this
has been imposed on them.  I remember as a child (born=1962) being
taught such regional songs as 'Ca' Hawkie', which for some time have
been frowned upon by the establishment as being 'poor working class
English'!  Geordie (my Northumberland dialect) is not, in my opinion,
English.

I am very grateful to Glenn Simpson for adding Northumbrian to list
and the work done by the Northumbrian Language Society.  Also, on the
Lowlands web the main page for Northumbrian has this 'This page is in
Afrikaans.'.  I would, because of the above, be more upset if it
stated 'This page is in English.' ;)

Many Regards

James Wilson

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Anthems

And so the hornets keep on buzzing ...

Paul, I was speaking of common perception, not of historical details and
contentions. I guess I should have made that clearer.

James, the issues of Cornwall and Northumbria ("Northeast") are of course
still very buzz-worthy for many, and I for one fully realize and respect
that.

I myself have brought up the status of Northumbria several times here on
Lowlands-L. Whatever the people of that region wish and decide, I consider
Northumbrian culture and language "special". Someone here once said that
Northumbrian culture and language should not be directly linked with Scots
culture and language, that it is far more English. Whether this is a case of
a "natural" continuum, the result of integration into England and English
immigration and domination, or all of the above, it is a fact that Scots and
Northumbrian both descended from Old Northumbrian, did constitute a fairly
smooth continuum (Northumbrian - Southern/Borders Scots - Central Scots -
Northern Scots - Insular Scots, Shetlandic possibly constituting a separate
language) until more recent times. In my way of thinking, Northumbrian
therefore deserves a special place here on LL-L. At the same time, I do not
wish to step on toes and unnecessarily agitate any hornets, just look at,
feature and celebrate the Northumbrian cultural and linguistic complex
irrespective of political borders and sentiments, simply because it does
deserve to be noted and celebrated. This is why I, too, am grateful to our
Glenn for helping us with the featuring, though he's been rather quiet
lately.

So here's my invitation to you, James, and others on the List to help us
reinvigorate the Northumbrian contents of Lowlands-L. We could do with more
postings on the topic, and Northumbrian contents in our on-line
presentations would be wonderful. To start with, we could do with a sound
file for Glenn's Northumbrian version of the wren story (
http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/northumbrian.php), or someone could write
and narrate the story in the same or another Northumbrian variety (the more
the merrier). Note that in fear of arousing the hornets I compromised by
listing Northumbrian under English (
http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/contents.php) but giving it its own
information page with an implied disclaimer. Should I have a Northumbrian
section apart from English and Scots?

Please also note our other educational projects that are yet devoid of
Northumbrian contents. So how about gathering the Northumbrian forces on and
off the List, James?

Anniversary:
http://lowlands-l.net/anniversary/

Traditions:
http://lowlands-l.net/traditions/

History:
http://lowlands-l.net/history/

Travels:
http://lowlands-l.net/travels/

Language Tips:
http://lowlands-l.net/beyondthepale/

Gallery:
http://lowlands-l.net/gallery/

Regards and best wishes,
Reinhard/Ron
Seattle, USA

"Ask not what Lowlands-L can do for you! Ask what you can do for
Lowlands-L!"

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