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From: Diederik Masure <didimasure at hotmail.com>

Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.03.18 (05) [A/E]

Luc:
braai are indeed calves tho, not the same as knieholte? uëgnisse (groin) is
called, with an old Antwerpian word, iëkenisse. probably the same word altho
I cant place the sound correspondences here. In antwerp one sits on their
"(h)ukkes", plural. Why wouldnt it be related to dutch hurk(en)? r's dont
normally drop in that positions, true, but the resemblance and as far as i
know identical use seems too coincidental...
Diederik



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From: Henno Brandsma <hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl>

Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.03.18 (05) [A/E]



From: Hellinckx Luc <luc.hellinckx at gmail.com>

Subject: LL-L "Etymology"



[snip]



A good article about all the different words that are used in Brabantish to
describe the back of a person's knee can be read here:

http://tinyurl.com/cta2u7



There's also a "huk" in the expression we use for "to squat": "op uw hukske
zitten"=...related with "oksel"? Anyway, it's probably not cognate with
Standard Dutch "hurken".



Ah, this reminds me of the Westerlauwer Frisian "hoksen": yn'e hoksen sitte
= Dutch "op je hurken zitten", "hurken".

I saw in that (interesting) lemma that a very similar expression occurs in
Brabantic as well.



Regards,



Henno Brandsma


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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

In German, 'to squat' is *hocken*, and the noun 'squat' is *Hocke*. In some
southern dialects, for instance in many Alemannic ones, *hocken* means
simply 'to sit'.

In Low Saxon, the verb is *hucken* *~ huken* and the noun is *Hucke ~ Huke ~
Huuk*. So you can say *in de Hucke ~ Huke ~ Huuk sitten* ("to sit in the *Hucke
~ Huke ~ Huuk*") for 'to squat (for some time)'. In Hamburg Missingsch this
is literally translated as *in'e Huke sitzen*.

I assume that this is related to English "hock" (as e.g. in "ham-hock"), a
South English alternative to more widespread "hough", defined by the
*OED*as "The joint in the hinder leg of a quadruped between the true
knee and the
fetlock, the angle of which points backward" and "The hollow part behind the
knee-joint in man; the adjacent back part of the thigh". It goes back to Old
English *hóh* 'heel'.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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