LL-L "Etymology" 2010.04.19 (01) [DE-EN-NDS]

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From: Jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>

Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2010.04.18 (04) [EN]

Thanks, Marlou and Ron!

Marlou (about 'koddern'):

Anyway the word is used not for persons, but for language. But all this is
High German; I have never heard it in Platt. Why not?

I've heard it often from my grannies from East-Prussia; it's not very common
in our western regions.

Reinhard:

Wow, Master Ron, you probably hit the nails head:

The Low German (i.e. Low Saxon and Low Frankish) etymon
**kod-*(representatives of which have entered German by way of
Missingsch, as seen
in the examples Marlou gives above) may well be related to German (**kūt-*>) *
*kauz-* ‘to make a barking sound’, ‘to whoop’, whence *Kauz* (a group of
types of owls).

Yes - we have the word *'kauzig' *or *"er ist ein komischer Kauz"* in DE
which means E 'dotty'. And besides its barking sound a "Kauz" (which is E
'Brown Owl' and 'Little Owl') has to vomid the rests of its food, i.e. the
hair, feathers and bones of the little prey. It's called DE 'Gewölle", E
'cast' or 'pellet'. So this habit (of all raptors) probably leads 'kodderig'
to the meaning of 'sick', and - just to complete the circle - in Vulgar
Standard German 'to vomid' is 'kotzen'!!

Thank you very much!

Allerbest!

Jonny Meibohm

Lower Saxony, Germany

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>

Subject: Etymology

Thanks, Jonny. Great minds think alike, don’t they?

In fact, I was just going to add *kotzen*. The *Herkunftsduden* folks
suspect it has something to do with older *koppen* ‘to gasp for air’. But
the connection you and I are making makes a lot more sense.

Nice also you mention that such owls throw up pellets (or hairballs, if you
wish). This rather than the hooting sound they make is likely to be the
connection of *Kauz* and **kūt-*. The *Herkunftsduden* and the German
Wikipedia both assume that it is the bird call that gave rise to the name.

Of course, *Kauz* in the sense of ‘eccentric guy’ and the
adjectival-adverbial derivation *kauzig* are a secondary and tertiary
development, assumedly because of the clownish looks and behavior of such
owls.

By the way, German is said to be the only language in which *Kauz* (pl. *
Käuze*) are perceived as a specific group of owls, a biologically diverse
group though it is. (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A4uze) However, In
Low Saxon, too, they tend to be labeled as a group, depending on the
dialect: *Kattuul* (“cat owl”), *Nachtuul* (“night owl”),
*Dodenvagel*(“bird of the dead,” “bird of death,” because their call
is said to portend
death within the vicinity in which it is heard at night).

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
Seattle, USA

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From: Niels Winther <nielswinther at gmail.com <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology"

Keam = comb ?

Niels

From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2010.04.14 (01) [EN]

 ... So Keamer suggests "one who keams".  Though what on earth the verb to
"keam" might mean I have no idea!

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From: "DAVID COWLEY" <DavidCowley at anglesey.gov.uk>

Subject: Re:

I recall that 'Ceamer' or something like it (said Kee-AW-mer) is
Scottish Gaelic for' room'. (I always took that to be related to
'chamber'.)

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From: Hannelore Hinz  <HanneHinz at t-online.de>

Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2010.04.18 (02) [EN]

... un nu kam ick ... oewer ahn ein "kodderig" Muulwark" (auch freches
Mundwerk),

eigentlich aber Nd. kodderig, übel im Magen, zum Erbrechen geneigt: mi is so
kodderig (so hörte ich auch Ostpreußen sprechen);

köddern sprechen, schwatzen aber auch sich erbrechen;

kloeterig, kloetrig, klapprig, schwach, elend, kümmerlich, ärmlich,
erbärmlich;

Kloeterpack n. Klatschgesellschaft, Mekkerbande;

Kloetersch f. Schwätzerin, Klatschbase, Kloetertasch, Kloetertrin.

Es gibt auch einen Kloeterappel m. Klapperapfel, ein Apfel, der so gut
ausgereift ist, daß man beim Schütteln seine Kerne im Gehäuse klappern hört
(Apfelsorte: Grand Richard, wecker kennt denn' noch...?).

Wenn jemand ulkig ist, heißt es "de hett ne Hasenpot in de Tasch", ist immer
für einen Spaß zu haben; Ulk, Pl. Ulken m. Scherz, Spaß, hei wüßte väl sonn'
Ulken, aber auch Lärm: dat is luter Ulk. - Mnd. ulk Unheil, Übel, Plage;

ulken : scherzen; Ulkmaker/Ulkvagel m. Spaßmacher; Ulkrädneri  f.
Scherzwort: dat is sonne Ulkrädneri.

Babbel, Bawwel m. Mund, in der Kindersprache: holl dinen Bawwel;

babbeln, bawweln : lallen, plappern, auch hastig und unüberlegt schwatzen;
im Kinderreim: wenn de gälen Appeln up den Bom babbeln.

Brawwelfiken (-sophie) f. Schwätzerin, -jochen  m. Schwätzer (haha, ok
Mannslüüd).

brawweln, brabbeln, schwatzen; kann dee oewer brawweln;

tratschen soll eigentlich ein hd. Wort sein, Nd. Syn. kloetern, snatern,
schnattern, klatschen, wiederseggen, breitpedden, quackeln;

ein nd. Lustspiel hatte den Titel "Tratschwiewer", mein Pd-Lehrer war
entsetzt und sagte "Kloeterwiewer" müßte es richtig heißen.

Für 'unverschämt' : utverschaamt; Utverschämer m. : unverschämter Mensch.

Un wieder spürt man den Reichtum der Niederdeutschen Sprache.

(Kiek nah bi Perfesser Voßlo. Wossidlo/Teuchert.)

So, nu heff ick mi hier einen afbrawwelt ...

Hartlich Gräuten.

Hanne

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