LL-L "Etymology" 2010.02.18 (03) [EN]

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From: Diederik Masure <didimasure at hotmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Members" 2010.02.18 (02) [EN-NDS]

Re Joachim (on somtiids):



Al these forms occur in Antwerpian and I'm sure in most Brabantish dialects.
Modern Standard Dutch uses only "soms", the other forms sound very archaic.
But next to "soems" dialect speakers will still use "soemteds" (or full
"soemtijds"), "soemwijle", which also occurs in reduced form as "sewijle"
(more on the countryside I think) or "swijle" (also in the city).



Since dialect is degenerating here too, these will sound archaic in dialect
for many younger speakers as well, of course. But still less archaic as in
the standard language, where they sound more like something from hundreds of
years ago, not like something that's from 50 years ago like it often sounds
in dialect.



Greets,

Diederik


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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Dear Lowlanders,

It seems to me that "some" and its cognates descended with the earlier
meaning of "some" in the sense of "some unspecified item/place/time" and
that the meaning "an unspecified number/amount" developed later,
particularly in English (e.g. “Let’s have some cake!”, "Some people have no
manners"). This may have been preceded by the meaning "any" or "every" as in
Sanskrit.

Indo-European: *semo
Sanskrit: सम (sama) ‘any’, ‘every’
Greek: ἁμο- (hamo-) ‘some-’ (*s- > Greek h- is regular.)
Germanic: *suma(z)
Gothic: sums
Old Norse: sumr (Icelandic: sumur, Scandinavian: sum, som)
Old Saxon: sum (Middle: sum, som, Modern: sömmig)
Old Frisian: sum (Mod. W: sommig, somlik, Mod. N.: som)
Old English: sum
Old Low Frankish: ? (Middle Dutch: som, zom)
Old German: sum (Middle: sum, Modern dial.: sum, som, söm, sommig)

Apparently there is not connection between this and "same", *samen*, etc.
(in the sense of 'together', 'equal', etc.)

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
Seattle, USA



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