LL-L "Etymology" 2010.07.07 (03) [EN-NL]

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From: burgdal32admin <burgdal32 at telenet.be>

Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2010.06.27 (02) [EN]



Dag allemaal,



Finally some time to read all the interesting articles.



In my Western Flemish we use both words:



- rijzen (rizen) meaning   to arise



- 'reize' and 'reizereize'

meaning a lot of things:

-op hetzelfde niveau / even hoog [E: as high as / at the same hight] (Het
water stond reize met de straat. Het water stond reizereize met de grond. Ik
vulde het glas reizereize met de boord)

-effen [E: level] De vloer moet reize liggen)

-dicht, rakelings [near / to graze] ( Dat hangt reize met de grond. De
zwalmtjes vlogen reize met het water)

-ongelijke hoogte = verre van reize [E: far from the same level.]



Groetjes,

Luc Vanbrabant

Oekene

 From: Henno Brandsma <hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl>

Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2010.06.26 (02) [EN]



From: Henry Pijffers <henry.pijffers at gmail.com>

Subject: Sailors' language



Hello,

After a (very long) absence from this list, I came across something today
that I would like to put to the list. I'm busy transferring all my CDs to my
PC, and had to look up something related to the album "Reise, Reise", by the
German band Rammstein. It was said that "Reise, Reise" is an old German (as
in language) sailors' term, meaning "arise, arise". I was thinking however
that it may have come from Low German/Saxon, not High German, because the
language of sailors was Low German/Saxon for a long time. Any ideas?

cheers,
Henry Pijffer



In that case I would have expected an [i:] sound, not the diphthong "ei",
and I suppose this is just an old Germanic word, that we also see in [EN]
"arise", [NL] "rijzen", [WF] "rize", etc.



regards,



Henno



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From: Marcus Buck <list at marcusbuck.org>

Subject: LL-L "Language proficiency" 2010.06.26 (02) [EN]



From: Henry Pijffers <henry.pijffers at gmail.com>

Subject: Sailors' language



Hello,

After a (very long) absence from this list, I came across something today
that I would like to put to the list. I'm busy transferring all my CDs to my
PC, and had to look up something related to the album "Reise, Reise", by the
German band Rammstein. It was said that "Reise, Reise" is an old German (as
in language) sailors' term, meaning "arise, arise". I was thinking however
that it may have come from Low German/Saxon, not High German, because the
language of sailors was Low German/Saxon for a long time. Any ideas?



You are right. Wikipedia has a short article on it:
<http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reise_reise><http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reise_reise>.
The Low Saxon word is 'riesen', a cognate of English 'to rise', and it means
"to lift, to swell". It used to be a German word too, but in German it fell
out of use (Grimm dictionary:
<http://germazope.uni-trier.de/Projects/WBB/woerterbuecher/dwb/displaylinkinfo?lemid=GR04033><http://germazope.uni-trier.de/Projects/WBB/woerterbuecher/dwb/displaylinkinfo?lemid=GR04033>).
The German word 'rieseln' is derived from the verb. It's a Middle German
form (therefore the vowel 'ie' instead of 'ei') and it means 'to trickle'
(of a granular substance) which is quite the opposite of 'to rise'. The
Grimm dictionary article sheds some light on the semantics ('riesen' can
also mean 'to fall').

Marcus Buck



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