LL-L "Grammar" 2010.03.16 (03) [EN]

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From: Diederik Masure <didimasure at hotmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Grammar" 2010.03.15 (03) [EN]

It *is from *Hamburg itself actually, it is what the mayor of Hamburg
Joachim Bechendorff supposedly said at King Christian 4.s "hylding"/"indtog"
(official entrance?) *30 october 1603 *in St. Peters Church. Hamburg indeed
claimed to be a free city not being obligated to do so, due to a previous
count Albrecht af Orlemunde selling the inhabitants the city for 1500 golden
mark (1364) - but Christian didn't accept the legalty of this sale since the
count wasn't legally allowed to sell lands in 'lehn' with him; and the
German emperor Carl had agreed with this claim in 1368 already that the
Hamburgians officially had to obey the counts of Holsteen; so now they had
to organise the entrance of Christian; altho he was the last Danish king to
do so.

Thanks for all the info tho!

Diederik

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From: Jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Grammar" 2010.03.15 (03) [EN]

 Beste Diederik,

you wrote:

*Would those "High German" consonants be influence of an early HG written
language influence, or would they actually already be spreading into urban
LS speech in those times? We're talking late 1500's here. especially in
suffixes like -lich and -heit they seem to occur (and formal words like
'sachen') so that would rather be a written language-influence or is that a
wrong assumption?*

I think you're pretty right here - it should be the influence of written
language, perhaps as an early result of Luthers translation of the bible
into HG!
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*Is "nachdem" a LS word or would that be HG written language?*

The second...

*"Nun" also seems HG to me or is it a LS word as well?*

In our todays dialect we would use it as "nu'", but it I think it is of HG
origin.
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*Is the Suffix -schaft (börgerschafft) also LS or does LS have -schap like
Dutch?*

LS has -schopp or -schapp.

As far as your further questions are concerned I fully agree with Ron.

Hope, this will help you.

Allerbest!

Jonny Meibohm
Lower Saxony, Germany

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>

Subject: Grammar


Diederik and Jonny,

*Nu* for ‘now’ is perfectly Saxon (though it can occur in German dialects as
well), and *nun* is German.

Old Saxon: nū
Middle Saxon: nu


Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
Seattle, USA

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