LL-L "Phonology" 2011.07.24 (01) [DE-EN]

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <roerd096 at PLANET.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2011.07.23 (02) [EN]

Hi Wolfram, well that confirms completely my own experience: I was born in
Winterswijk where a Low Saxon variety close to Westphalian is spoken, and
there I never heard this ingressive ja. But when we moved up North to
Drenthe, bordering Niedersachsen, I started to notice that people were
"inhaling" their ja sometimes, both in Low Saxon and when speaking standard
Dutch.
Women use it more often than men, pupils more often than teachers, nurses
more often than doctors, employees more often than bosses, it seems. Maybe
that's why to me it sounds kind of introvert, submissive even, as if the
people using it in a conversation have a lower position, as if they are
obliged to confirm and support the other person by their inhaled ja...
But maybe that's just my own interpretation, maybe I'm completely wrong
about that.

Very funny what you wrote about omitting pauses in speech because you can
keep talking! But then, one would expect this rather in less Northern
languages like Italian or American English, I mean Scandinavians or North
Germans are not exactly known for talking all the time without pauses, are
they?   ;-)

Btw your remark also reminded me at the circular breathing of didgeridoo
players

Groeten
Ingmar

From: Wolfram Antepohl wolfram at antepohl.se
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2011.07.23 (01) [EN]

An ingressive "ja" (how would you actually write that?) Is very common in
several Swedish Dialects, especially in Norrland and Småland. I have
aatually adapted to using it - it can make your speech very effective as you
can omit the pauses that otherwise occur when you breathe in ... ;-)
Never came across this habit i my native area in the Sauerland part of
Westphalia.

Greetings

Wolfram

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wolfram at antepohl.se

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Phonology

I wonder if ingression of affirmatives has something to do with unobtrusive
speech: responding in the affirmative without wanting to interrupt the other
speaker's flow. This might explain why it tends to be used more by women in
some languages.

As for ingressive expressions of surprise, they may be linked with holding
one's breath.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
Seattle, USA

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From: Sandy Fleming fleemin at live.co.uk
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2011.07.23 (02) [EN]

> From: Wolfram Antepohl wolfram at antepohl.se
> Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2011.07.23 (01) [EN]

> An ingressive "ja" (how would you actually write that?) Is very common
in several Swedish Dialects, especially in Norrland and Småland. I have
aatually adapted to using it - it can make your speech very effective as
 you can omit the pauses that otherwise occur when you breathe in ...
;-)Never came across this habit i my native area in the Sauerland part of
Westphalia.
In Scots I tend to associate this with women's speech particularly, but men
use it too. It's particularly noticeable when talking about something
"scandalous" as if sucking it in will somehow stop it from getting out!

There's an ingressive "ay" (meaning "yes") when expressing agreement: it
usually sounds like a loud whisper, though an effort can be made to make it
more vocal.

There's an ingressive "oh", which is often vocal and protracted, which is
make when the speaker is surprised or scandalised by a piece of news.

There's an ingressive "eh" ([e:] in my dialect). It's hard to translate the
meaning of this, but it has to do with complicity ("ah, I know what you're
saying"). Again, making it ingressive suggests fascinated disapproval :)

Sandy Fleming
http://scotstext.org/

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From: M.-L. Lessing marless at gmx.de
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2011.07.23 (02) [EN]

I could'nt quite imagine what these ingressive sounds should be, but after
listening to the sound files Ron linked it seems all very natural to me, and
I dare say it is found in many more languages -- it is a natural sound of
surprise or fright! Imagine sitting in a cinema and watching a film, the
unsuspecting hero in the foreground, and suddenly the bad guy appear in the
background, pointing a gun towards the hero! All the cinema goes
*Hhhhah!*-- which is an ingressive hah, mind you. Or imagine a car
race, a risky
overtaking manoevre -- *Hhhah!!!* And imagine christmas eve, the living room
doors opening for the children to see the christmas tree and presents, they
all go *Hhhaah!* too. I have heard this hundreds of times from people of
different countries. The list of languages that know the sound confuses me.
Are there any folks who do *not*, in a moment of tension or surprise,
breathe in with a sound?!

And of course I have heard the ingressive purring from cats! The cheetah
purr on the site Ron linked is great, but IBM (Integra Battlepunk
Mietzenhaps, my partner's cat, now dead) was an outstanding performer in the
art of ingressive purring during her lifetime, creating the best resonance
and loudest purr when breathing in.

Hartlich

Marlou

There is an informative web presentation on the topic:
http://ingressivespeech.info/

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From: M.-L. Lessing marless at gmx.de
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2011.07.23 (02) [EN]

P.S. Oh, I forgot snoring! Many people who snore make the louder sound when
breathing in. This must be somehow related to purring, I think -- expressing
comfortable relaxation or so :-) And I bet you this type of snoring is done
by snorers of all languages!

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From: M.-L. Lessing marless at gmx.de
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2011.07.23 (02) [EN]

P.P.S. Ach ja, und die hier -- die Esel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApTC3n8Fm40 They breathe in with their "i"!

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From: M.-L. Lessing marless at gmx.de
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2011.07.23 (02) [EN]

P.P.P.S. And Hanne, whom I phoned just now, perfectly imitates a cock's cry
by breathing in part of the cry!

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