LL-L "History" 2012.04.05 (01) [EN]

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From: "Steven Hanson" <ammurit at gmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "History" 2012.04.04 (02) [EN]

Aren’t there some who say that a full third of the vocabulary of the
Germanic languages lacks cognates with the broader Indo-European family,
even though there are cognates among all the Germanic languages?  If indeed
that is true, perhaps these place names might have come from the unknown
source of those seemingly mysterious Germanic, but not Indo-European,
words.



From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: History

Dear Lowlanders,

What do you make of the newish hypothesis that there were speakers of
Germanic languages in England before or during Roman occupation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwXOr47EJ1E

Personally, I am not convinced, but I consider it possible.

Best wishes,
Reinhard/Ron
Seattle, USA

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From: Roger Thijs rogerthijs at yahoo.com
Subject: LL-L "History" 2012.04.04 (02) [EN]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: History

> What do you make of the newish hypothesis that there were speakers of
Germanic languages in England before or during Roman occupation?
> Personally, I am not convinced, but I consider it possible

Several references to the "Tungri" are found in Northern Brittany.
The Tungri are generally considered as being relocated from over the Rhine,
after the semi-Germanic Eburones were murdered by Caesars troups. They
served in the Roman army.
These Tungri spoke probably proto-Limburgish (cf. town of Tongeren;
Tongerlandish is still a variety of Limburgish, with a very typical sound,
which I think is due to walloon influence).

Regards,
Roger

Next weekend I'm in Belgium for a couple of days. I will check the
reference material I have at home.

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From: Mark and Ruth Dreyer mrdreyer at telkomsa.net
Subject: LL-L "History" 2012.04.04 (02) [EN]

Dear Ron:

I would ignore this craftless amalgum of two studies. But I have
suggestions that might improve their work. To start with, let them go to a
geologist, & get confirmation that this extremely well-drained part of
Britain had a lake in even prehistoric times. I don't say there wasn't, but
let a geologist show proof (& proof there would be), not a philologist.
Second, let a scholar of Celtic languages show that the 'ey' suffix bears
no relation to grammar in a Celtic or pre-Celtic non-Germanic tongue. I
don't say there wasn't, but they aught to have a philologist make this
point, not leave the opening to detractors. Next, I do not doubt that
immediately post-Wurm the British Isles-to-be were populated from Spain
Northward & (even after the sinking of the land-bridge) to a lesser extent
from the mainland to the West. I concede that this would be reflected in
genetic markers South to North & East to West in the British isles, but I
would expect the People involved to have settled
before Indo-Germanic became a distinctive language, let alone Celtic or for
that matter Teutonic.

On the other hand we know the Romans were recruiting Batavii (of the
Netherlands) to the ranks of their auxilia & the legions well before they
occupied Britain. They have left record in their remains along Hadrian's
wall, & (I stand to correction) the Antonine as well. Even earlier, the
Ancients report that the Belgicae (Southwards of the self-same region) were
a hybrid people, blending British & Teutonic strains. This would be
reflected in their genes & language, also Culture (did they not worship
Gwidion, God of the Storm).

These two Teutonic strains might not classify as pure Saxon, but it is
reported that Post-Imperial British employed Saxons as mercenaries, & their
remains in several parts of Britain are co-eval with the British.

Germans got around, hey!

All yours,
Mark.

You Wrote:
What do you make of the newish hypothesis that there were speakers of
Germanic languages in England before or during Roman occupation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwXOr47EJ1E

Personally, I am not convinced, but I consider it possible.


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