LL-L "Etymology" 2012.10.03 (04) [EN]

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From: Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong Dutchmatters at comcast.net

Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2012.10.03 (01) [EN]

Hi Theo and Dick,

Theo, Your find on Wikipedia that Planken Wambuis is a euphemism for a
coffin comes as a big disillusion to me. I had been musing that maybe the
joint was so “gezellig” (D comfortable and cosy) that it felt like drinking
a few pints, wearing a warm comfortable wambuis in a cosy building made of
planks.  After a cold, hard life as a sailor, it may be a wish for warmer
stay in the afterlife.
Jacqueline BdJ


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From: Hellinckx Luc luc.hellinckx at gmail.com

Subject: LL-L "Etymology"


Beste Theo,

You wrote:

 Search for the latin 'vambasium'.
The roman soldiers wore a vambasium under their outer -leather-
armour-plates.


Vambasium < bambacium, bombicum < bombax (cotton in Latin) < βάμβαξ (cotton
in Greek). Similar "bombazijn", "bombast(isch)", even Baumwolle (German).
Greek in turn may have borrowed the word from Iranian or Armenian: Online
Etymology Dictionary <http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=bombast>

"Wambuis" is also visible in "luiwammes", a lazy person, where "wammes" is
the colloquial pronunciation of "wambuis" and serving as pars pro toto for
a human being (compare "dikzak"):
etymologiebank.nl<http://www.etymologiebank.nl/trefwoord/wambuis>

Kind greetings,

Luc Hellinckx, Halle, Belgium

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Hi, Luc!

Greek in turn may have borrowed the word from Iranian or Armenian: Online
> Etymology Dictionary <http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=bombast>
>

Old Greek: βαμβάκιον (*bambάkion*) 'cotton'

I guess Armenian is a possibility: բամբակ (*bambak*). But borrowings went
back and forth between Greek and Armenian, mostly from Greek to Armenian.
I'm not convinced about Iranian as a source, considering the absence of a
final consonant in Farsi (Modern West Persian, which had close contacts
with Western Turkic languages): پنبه (*banbe*). I can't find cognates in
Avestan and Old Persian, which in itself may be indicative. Northern
Persian (Tajik) has пахта (*paxta*) which has cognates in Eastern Turkic
languages, e.g. Uzbek *paxta*, Uyghur پاختا (*paxta*), Kazakh мақта (*maqta*),
Kyrgyz пахта (*paxta*)*.*

Also consider Albanian *pambuk *for 'cotton', similarly Serbian and
Bosnian памук
(*pamuk*), Croatian *pamuk*, Macedonian памук (*pamuk*), Bulgarian памук (*
pamuk*), Turkish *pamuk*, Azeri *pambıq*, Tatar мамык (*mamyk*), etc., and
Hungarian *pamut* (< Turkish?).

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
Seattle, USA


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