zvon'ish' vs zv'onish'

[Shrager, Miriam]

Nina,

I believe I addressed this issue in my previous message. The problem is 
that there is a difference of dialectal norms. In Ukrain the norm has 
root stress in both these verbs, but the Russian one has end-stress. If 
the norm was based on other Russian dialects, other pronunciations 
would have been possible. But, as of today, this is the only correct 
and standard form. Others (e.g., p'onjala, pozv'onish, etc.) are 
dialectisms.

Miriam Shrager


Quoting Nina Shevchuk <n_shevchuk at YAHOO.COM>:

> I wonder if there's a regional aspect to this issue. I'm a native
> speaker of Russian, but born in Ukraine, and I say it both ways. At
> the same time, to my ear the Moscow variety of Russian sounds
> distinctly accented. I also remember having a similar conversation
> with a Russian teacher in school about poniala (stressed o) and
> poniala (stressed last a), in which the teacher insisted that the
> latter was correct and dictionary-sanctioned, while the former (the
> more used version where I am from) is wrong.
>
>  Have you checked dictionaries? Just curious.
>
>  Nina Shevchuk-Murray
>
> Sara Stefani <sara.stefani at YALE.EDU> wrote:
>  When I was first learning Russian, I learned the verb as (po)zvonít':
> (po)zvonyú, (po)zvonísh', etc., i.e., always end-stressed. Not long after I
> arrived in Moscow, though, I noticed that a lot of Russians said zvónish',
> zvónit, especially in the future perfect: pozvónish', pozvónit. I asked a
> Russian friend about it, and she got very upset, saying that people do say
> pozvónit but, she insisted most emphatically, that this was wrong, and that I
> should always say (po)zvonísh'. So I do, but I wonder if that norm
> has changed
> even more to tend towards pozvónish' in the ten years since I lived
> in Moscow?
>
> ss
>
> Quoting "Paul B. Gallagher"
> :
>
>> Alina Israeli wrote:
>>
>>> The gender of "kofe" together with the stress in "zvonit" was one of the
>>> pet peeves of the purists (for over a hundred years). If not for that the
>>> gender would have changed long ago. No one is bothered that "pal'to" is
>>> neuter (and not masculine any more) or that "voron ni zharjat ni varjat" is
>>> no longer end-stressed (outside this rhyme).
>>
>> At least to my nonnative ear, it scans better as "vorón ni zháryat
>> ni váryat."
>>
>> But my question is about zvonit'. I was taught zvonít', zvonyú,
>> zvónish'... What's the controversy? Do some people say zvonísh'?
>>
>> --
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>> --
>> Paul B. Gallagher
>> pbg translations, inc.
>> "Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
>> http://pbg-translations.com
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