gender in translation
Alina Israeli
aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU
Thu Jul 29 15:02:39 UTC 2010
1. I must say that I am a lot happier with the ironic statement of
Ivanov. I firmly believe that the phrase "великий и могучий" should
be used only in ironic contexts these days.
As for пёсик it's a nice word, but much too common (as in "common
man", not "frequent") and terms of endearment have to have pizzazz.
(Although I would not call песик "corny" — плоско, избито, пошло.)
2. On the subject of Молодца! I am not sure it is feminine.
3. Умница is common gender. Emotive common gender words tend to be
used in feminine even when applied to men. Here grandfather says to
grandson: Умница ты моя!
(http://books.google.com/books?id=yC0bAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA45&lpg=PA45&dq=%
22%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0+%D1%82%D1%8B+%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%8F
%22+%D0%BC%D0%
BE&source=bl&ots=3pwMAsJOLP&sig=7xfzr0gS6XKOXKWNZILZGvpHuaU&hl=en&ei=z5Z
RTJzcM4L58Ab_qISTBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDEQ6AEw
BQ#v=onepage&q=%22%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0%20%D1%82%D1%8B%
20%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%8F%22%20%D0%BC%D0%BE&f=false)
On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:04 AM, Alex Shafarenko wrote:
>
> Ivanov concludes his pastiche with a line that explains it all:
> "Велик, могучий русский языка! "
> Indeed the Russian language is unimaginably mighty. One can
> construct a word of the
> "wrong" gender and use it. Be warned though that it does not come
> alone. It drags along
> a whole bunch of phonetic, semantic and semiotic links and will
> significantly colour
> the sentence it is used in.
>
> Specifically, to call a dog "собак" as a term of endearment is
> perfectly OK (even though
> the boringly correct word пёсик is every bit as good in my humble
> opinion).
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 6:10 AM, Stephanie Briggs wrote:
>
>> I have heard people say "Молодцы!" and "Молодца!"
>
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:45 AM, anne marie devlin wrote:
>
>> The concept of gender in nonuns is so interesting and when talking
>> about animate objects, grammatical gender and sex are easily
>> confused. I'd be interested to know what you think about umnitsa
>> and molodets.
>>
Alina Israeli
Associate Professor of Russian
LFS, American University
4400 Massachusetts Ave.
Washington DC 20016
(202) 885-2387 fax (202) 885-1076
aisrael at american.edu
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