"Lenin lives" (was Mr. Mayakovsky too died in the gulag)

[Daniel Rancour-Laferriere]

Dear Will and Bob,
This is indeed a close fit.  But let's look a little closer.   
Revelation 1:8 speaks of "the Lord God, who is and who was and who is  
to come, the Almighty."  This too has a tripartite structure (so  
common in folklore, as you note, Will).  The time sequence is a little  
different, however.  And Rob, some questions from this Gentile: what  
exactly is "Adon olam?"  Does it contain material from the Tanakh?  Is  
it early midrash?  Something from the Talmud (and which Talmud)?  Was  
it already in existence and was it known to Jewish soratniki during  
the time period in question?

My sense is that both Ecclesia and Synagoga were involved by default,  
but with no supersessionism, at least at the beginning.

With regards to the list -

Daniel Rancour-Laferriere


On Mar 2, 2010, at 1:15 PM, William Ryan wrote:

This is certainly the closest fit so far - but which of Lenin's Jewish  
soratniki would have been so blasphemous? These triple formulas to  
express eternity seem to be a topos in Judeo-Christian scripture. One  
might add from the Doxology in many Christian liturgies, '... as it  
was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be'. The tricolon more  
generally as a rhetorical device is also common (e.g. Christus vincit,  
Christus regnat, Christus imperat). The reinforcing power of triple  
statements is very common in folklore and magic - and even football  
chants (my favorite: 'he shoots, he scores, he eats labradors' - of a  
certain Korean footballer).

Will Ryan

Robert A. Rothstein wrote:
> Charles Mills wrote:
>> I can tell we've got some people who need to get out to church more  
>> often!
>> ;-)
>>
>> "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the  
>> Lord, which
>> is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."  -- 
>> Revelation 1:8
>> KJV
>>
>>
>>
> Or to the synagogue (as Jules Levin implied):
>
>   V'hu hoyo v'hu hove   And He was, and He is,
>   V'hu yiye b'siforo.      And He will be in glory.
>      ("Adon olam")
>
> Bob Rothstein
>
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