Coredemptrix

[FRISON Philippe]

It seems the whole discussion is drifting away from 
the purpose of this list, which is "Slavic & East 
European Languages and Literatures" (curiously enough not 
"cultures").

Being a "simple" (and not standard) (Roman) Catholic French 
layman, I would rather be shocked but those posts which 
assimilate Mary to a deity, if there had not been so much 
logorrhea said on religions by people who do not care about 
seriously studying them.

Those list members who are interested in such subjects 
would be best advised to read such works as Michel Onfray's 
'In Defence of Atheism: The Case Against Christianity, 
Judaism and Islam', an English translation of his "traite 
d'atheologie", issued in 2005, or, closer to the list 
purpose, Soviet atheist works.

All approaches (historic, psycho-analytic, litterary, 
philosophical, exegetic etc.) can be fruitful to make 
better undestand why the "Opium for the people" is still 
very much alive at the beginning of the 21st Century.

I would very much like an earnest discussion on those 
currents which revive(d) "official" religions, under the 
influence of such men or women as Alexander Men, Maria 
Skobtsova (http://zarubezhje.narod.ru/mp/m_019.htm), Mary 
Ward, Francis of Assisi, Ignacius of Loyola, Dietrich 
Bonhoeffer, Albert Schweitzer, Roger of Taize, Jean 
Vanier etc.

Again, the discussion on subjects such as whether 
Christmas is just a Christian "reprocessing" or adaptation 
of the Winter solstice has not much to do with the purpose 
of this list.

On the contrary, I would welcome a discussion on influences 
of Pagan practices in today's Russian such as those linked 
with 'Mother Earth' or the idea of paradise for Russian 
people.

Regards

Philippe Frison
(Strasbourg, France)

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From: SEELANGS: Slavic & East European Languages and Literatures list
[mailto:SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Vitalii Cherednichenko
Sent: Wednesday 8 September 2010 23:56
To: SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu
Subject: [SEELANGS] Coredemptrix

Dear colleagues,

regarding the ongoing fascinating discussion on the Coredemptrix term
I wonder if there is a room to respond to the following issues that
relate both to the style and to the essential subject-matter of the
discussed:

1) When Professor Olga Meerson informs the list that: "what I, OLGA,
believe and confess, say, in the Nicene Creed and in my prayers, I
probably know more than you do, no..." --> does she claim that "her"
(i.e. "Olga's") personal views and beliefs are to be observed as *the
standard* and the most representative ones for the entire Orthodox
Christianity? And it is up to "I Olga" to decide upon what is right
and what is wrong? I do not see an easy way to understand why Olga
Meerson seems to position herself as "the" Source on what Orthodox
Christians think and feel? Don't we need to consult let's say, some
Levada Centr anymore? Let us, then blindly subscribe to Olga's words
and this will be the right to do.
1-a) Can we relate the somewhat surprising pathos of Olga Meerson's
emotional address to Rolf Fieguth with the latter's finest explanation
of "coredemptrix" as "soiskupitel'nica", a Russian equivalent term
that was omitted in the previous answers?

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