[SEELA NGS] он сл омал *се б е* ногу v s. он слом ал н огу

[Bradley Agnew Gorski]

Re: Alina's google statistics.

If you change the gender on both, you get different proportions. Males
"manage to" break their legs more often than females:

"он сломал ногу" - 177,000
"он сломал себе ногу" - 26,000

Ratio: ~7:1 (vs. 30:1)

"я сломал ногу" - 145,000
"я сломал себе ногу" - 14,300

Ratio: ~10:1 (vs. 52:1)

Bradley

2011/1/20 anne marie devlin <anne_mariedevlin at hotmail.com>

> Somehow, I don't think that raw statistical data on frequency of use gives
> the answer.  What we need to know is in which contexts they are used.  "она
> сломала ногу" may be 30 times more frequent; however, "я сломала себе ногу"
> is still present, so we need to ask in which social context is себе added.
> Is it found in written or spoken data?, is it particular to a region?, is it
> gender-based/age-based/class-based?. Is it a formal/informal situation. Is
> the speaker high/low/equal status to the interlocutor?
> I'm also presuming that the google corpus is a corpus of written data, and
> written and spoken data are often not comparable
> AM
>
> > Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:24:39 -0500
> > From: aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] он сломал *себ е* ногу v s. он сломал н огу
> > To: SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu
> >
> > Google has the answer:
> >
> > "она сломала ногу" About 78,100 results
> > "она сломала себе ногу" About 2,400 results
> >
> > 30 times more common without себе
> >
> > "я сломала ногу" About 88,600 results
> > "я сломала себе ногу" About 1,710 results
> >
> > 52 times more common without себе.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jan 19, 2011, в 5:11 PM, Emily Saunders написал(а):
> >
> > > Дорогие SEELANGовцы!
> > >
> > > I'm hoping for a quick answer to the question of which is better and
> > > is there any difference. I find both on a Google search.
> > >
> > > Я сломала себе ногу.
> > > Я сломала ногу.
> > >
> > > Спасибо заранее!
> > >
> > > Emily Saunders
> > >
> > >
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