Is it of much use?

Thu Mar 8 16:10:01 UTC 2012

I initially thought they would automatically come under the perfect aspect.  However, they draw from both the perfect and continuous/progressive aspects.  As they don't add another aspect i  think the triad or tri-partitie system may still work with the caveat that bi-aspectuality (?) is possible.

Is it just me, or are things becoming more complicated?
AM

> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:38:37 -0500
> From: aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU
> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Is it of much use?
> To: SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu
> 
> "I have been reading" and "I had been reading" are totally missing and 
> do not have pigeon holes in this triad system it seems.
> 
> Alina
> 
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 6:41 AM, anne marie devlin wrote:
> 
> > Dear Konstantin (+ John),
> > the proposed model is basically a separation of tense and aspect. 
> > The tense refers to the basic times when an action/state happens i.e 
> > past present and future and the aspects refer to what I always refer 
> > to as additional information.
> > An example could be the verb to read.
> >
> > In the present tense there are 3 aspects: I read, I am reading and I 
> > have read. I read is the simple and refers to habitual use. I am 
> > reading is continuous/progressive which is now or temporary and the 
> > really difficult is the perfect aspect which can refer to result or 
> > experience. this can also be developed to I have been reading which 
> > can often answer the question 'how long?'
> >
> > In the past this is realised as I read (red), I was reading and I 
> > had read with the aspectual meaning being comparative.
> >
> > I the future it would be I will read, I will be reading and I will 
> > have read.
> >
> > I think it's a useful model and I often present it as tense + extra 
> > information.
> >
> > Regards
> > AM
> >
> >
> >> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 11:17:26 +0000
> >> From: John.Dunn at GLASGOW.AC.UK
> >> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Is it of much use?
> >> To: SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu
> >>
> >> Konstantin,
> >>
> >> It might be helpful if you could illustrate this scheme using a 
> >> real verb. Though I am old enough to have been given a reasonably 
> >> formal grounding in English grammar at school, one part of the 
> >> system that was never properly explained to us was the tense system 
> >> of the verb, perhaps because the model that underlay the grammar 
> >> that we were taught was more appropriate for Latin than for 
> >> English. I mention this because one consequence of my ignorance is 
> >> that whenever I come across an account of the English tense system 
> >> intended for foreign learners, I find the terminology rather 
> >> mystifying and often at odds with my own intuitive understanding.
> >>
> >> John Dunn.
> >>
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: SEELANGS: Slavic & East European Languages and Literatures 
> >> list [SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Goloviznin Konstantin [kottcoos at GMAIL.COM 
> >> ]
> >> Sent: 08 March 2012 11:18
> >> To: SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu
> >> Subject: [SEELANGS] Is it of much use?
> >>
> >> Hello Seelangers,
> >>
> >> I think this should be of some interest or even more... Some linguist
> >> (= teacher of English from Saint-Petersburg) has proposed a system of
> >> English tenses. Instead of these he uses three times (=Past, Present,
> >> Future) and three + 1 types of actions: one-time actions (=simple
> >> tenses), processes or long-time actions (=progerssive ), results (=
> >> perfects) + long-time results (= progressive perfects). That is, in
> >> every of Past, Present, Future you can have three + 1 type of 
> >> actions.
> >>
> >> I see it real simpification in understanding what English tenses
> >> really are. From another hand this classifier is universal because of
> >> applicable to any language (for Russian as example).
> >>
> >> And from the third hand, I consider a methodic having this classifier
> >> in as a real hit, but others see it a miss.
> >>
> >> Looking forward to your posts, Konstantin.
> >>
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