Randolph Graczyk Rgraczyk at aol.com
Tue Nov 30 20:42:01 UTC 2004

In a message dated 11/30/2004 10:48:27 AM Mountain Standard Time,
John.Koontz at colorado.edu writes:
I think Crow c^i is usually from *ki, right?  So then this suggests
something like *kira-, which would make sense for the first syllable.

Yes, c^ could be from *ki, although it could also correspond to Hidatsa ts,
which I believe reflects PS *s.

My initial instinct with xc^i/xta is that it looks a lot like the xti/xta
'true, very' enclitic in MVS, etc.  I'm don't recall if that occurs in
Crow-Hidatsa.  But I would expect something like -ta or -tu - can't
remember how *t comes out before *u! - for *-taN or *-tuN.  And then maybe
-a for *-he?  So, for *kyetVNh-e something like *c^ilata(a) or *c^ilatua?
I don't see how to work the xt/xc^, even with simplification elsewhere.
Too bad it's not ht/hc^!  Then some kind of metathesis might be

Crow doesn't have anything like the xti/xta 'true, very' enclitic.  *tuN
would come out as s^u in Crow.

Note, however, that the notes to the CSD entry talk about the hawk stem
maybe involving several roots compounded together.

That is a possibility.  c^i- corresponds to one of the many ki's (dative,
etc.) in MVS.  c^i-laxchi could mean something like 'wrap up one's own', or
'one's own wrapped up or bound'.  (c^i- would be a possessive reflexive prefix
here.)  But that analysis doesn't make much sense to me semantically for a bird
term, and it think it is worthwhile to at least pursue the notion that
c^ilaxchi' is a basic stem rather than a composite stem.

Would issa- be from *ikta- or *ihta-?   I think the *kira- probably fits
better, but obviously this isn't impossible either.
Yes, issa- could be from *ikta- or *ihta.

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