Lakota ki- 'to become by itself'

["Alfred W. Tüting"]

Hallo Clive, mein Freund!

reading your quote (?iyapi) and translation, my thought has been also  
that the transcription might (must?) be erroneous. My careful guess:  
the transcriber didn't consider the spoken word's slurred form in  
common speech (iyaya pi = [iyaapi] -> *iyapi), what do you think?

Alfred

P.S. I also remembered Starr's "lila oh'ankoya kiwicasapi" [ki- 
wi'chas^a-pi], thanks for quoting.


Am 11.12.2007 um 03:39 schrieb Clive Bloomfield:

>
> On 11/12/2007, at 12:09 PM, Clive Bloomfield wrote:
>
>> I note that native-speaker Ivan STARR, ("Lakota Eyapaha", 1996), in  
>> his humane essay about ongoing traumatization of returning Lakota  
>> Vietnam vets "Vietnam Okicize Kin : Nahanhci Wokakije Wan  
>> Inyanke" [=The Vietnam Conflict : the Ordeal Continues Still] (pp. 
>> 35-37), writes, with affecting pathos :
>>
>> "NahahNci hoks^ilapi eyas^ wicas^a thawichoh^'aN waN inila iyapi na  
>> echuNpi. Lila oh^'ankhoya kiwichas^api."
>>
>> "Even though they were still just boys, they went off to do a man's  
>> job, and they did just that, without complaint (lit.: silently).  
>> They became men too quickly."
>>
>> Starr's English version : "They were still young boys yet they were  
>> sent to do a man's job which they did without complaining. They  
>> became men before their time." (p.37)
>>
>
>
> A minor quibble :
>
> I've double-checked Starr's text there, and he does actually have  
> 'inila iyapi' there. I'm uneasy with that ; wouldn't 'inila' alone  
> suffice to express the idea : 'without backchat/complaint'?
> I wonder if, given his English translation, that could be a  
> defective transcription of an originally spoken : 'iyayapi' (=they  
> set off/went away),
> or even, possibly 'iyayeyapi' (interpreted 'passively'=they were  
> sent away?). But I guess one might have expected :  
> 'iyayewichayapi' [=they sent them away] for that second meaning.
>
> Clive.

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