SW captioned video

Stuart Thiessen sw at PASSITONSERVICES.ORG
Fri Apr 13 16:41:50 UTC 2007

I wonder ... Valerie and Steve, I am just throwing this off the top of 
my head, but would it be possible for the change in perspective between 
expressive and receptive to be computer managed?  For the hands, it 
would just be a matter of reversing white and black, correct?  What is 
the impact on other symbols? Is that worth something to explore where 
we can write things expressively like we prefer for reading, but have a 
way for the computer to output in receptive mode if needed?

I can see where signs that are using the top down view would not be 
able to handle this, but don't we usually have a head symbol that 
represents the top-down view? The converter that manages the switch in 
perspectives could ignore signs that incorporate symbols that use the 
top down view.

Just an off the top of my head thought. I saw this email and just 
thought I would throw it out. Perhaps further analysis will show that 
it is not really possible. If so, oh well. :)


On Apr 13, 2007, at 11:30, rocha at ATLAS.UCPEL.TCHE.BR wrote:

> Hi everybody,
>   Just to let you know I think it would be much better to caption the
> video in the receptive mode. It seems it would be much easier to
> assimilate the writing to the images.
>   All the best,
>   Antônio Carlos
> P.S.: sometimes I manage to get time to read some messages! :-)
>> I just watched the video - I love it!!! :-)  I've thought of the
>> possibility
>> of SW captioning, but I hadn't gotten as far as actually figuring out 
>> how
>> to
>> do it... it looks great to me!
>> The only problem I had was when the caption hid one of the signer's 
>> hands.
>> Otherwise, it looks good to me.
>> KJ
>>> From: "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting at MAC.COM>
>>> Reply-To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] How do we take a video of ourselves signing?
>>> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:03:28 -0700
>>> Hello Stuart!
>>> Thank you for this suggestion...While we are on this subject of 
>>> video  on
>>> YouTube, I have a confession to make...
>>> Cherie, I hope this was ok with you...One of our Board Members, James
>>> Short, wants to create videos with SignWriting captions on them, and 
>>>  I
>>> gave him a video that Cherie Wren had given me, to experiment with
>>> placing
>>> SignWriting captions on a video...the SignWriting is by  Cherie Wren 
>>> as
>>> well...it is Little Miss Muffet
>>> Here is the link to this experiment, located on the Harkle.com site,
>>> which
>>> is run by James Short...it is in James' message below...
>>> Here is James' message to me:
>>> ----------
>>> Hi Valerie-
>>> I put this together in about two minutes. The timing may be a little 
>>>  off
>>> and I have to figure out why some captions are smaller than  others, 
>>> but
>>> this only took me about two minutes!
>>> http://www.harkle.com/signwriting/ (press the "play triangle" to  
>>> start
>>> video)
>>> Can you tell I'm excited?
>>> James
>>> --------
>>> Val writing again:
>>> To my surprise, when I just went up on YouTUBE to search for
>>> SignWriting,
>>> I found the Little Miss Muffet video there, without the  captions!
>>> Cherie,
>>> did you place it on YouTUBE? Or did it get there by  some other 
>>> means?...
>>> I am very sorry if James and my work on the captioning might have  
>>> gotten
>>> onto YouTUBE somehow by mistake! I hope this was ok with you...
>>> The internet scares me a little sometimes...
>>> Anyway...thank you, Cherie, for sharing this wonderful video with 
>>> us...
>>> and what do you think of the captioning in SignWriting on videos?
>>> http://www.harkle.com/signwriting/
>>> Val ;-)
>>> ------------
>>> On Apr 10, 2007, at 6:42 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
>>>> One of the best ways to handle video clips would be for a person to 
>>>>  set
>>>> up an account through one of the video online sites (I use  
>>>> YouTube).
>>>> Once
>>>> you have an account, you can post video online for  people to see. 
>>>> For
>>>> example, I posted my suggestion to YouTube to  give you an idea of 
>>>> what
>>>> it
>>>> could be like. If you follow this link,  you will see my suggestion 
>>>> on
>>>> video: http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=F5vOW8rE_BE. Most video 
>>>> online
>>>> sites support tagging, so you can  tag it as SignWriting. Then it 
>>>> would
>>>> be
>>>> easy to find any clips that  discuss SignWriting issues.
>>>> Stuart
>>>> On Apr 10, 2007, at 17:53, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>>>> SignWriting List
>>>>> April 10, 2007
>>>>> Dear SW Listers!
>>>>> The SignWriting List is always free for everyone and it is the  
>>>>> best
>>>>> way
>>>>> to get tech support for your questions. So no matter  what, if you 
>>>>> want
>>>>> free tech support, please post your question to  the List and then
>>>>> someone will answer you!
>>>>> It is great if you can post a very short video of you signing one
>>>>> sign... to show us what you want to write. It is important to see  
>>>>> what
>>>>> we are writing sometimes!
>>>>> There are three issues related to posting videos:
>>>>> 1. They need to be very short, because the List software doesn't  
>>>>> have
>>>>> much memory. So we have to be careful to just post a video of  one 
>>>>> sign
>>>>> at a time. If you have a larger video, you can send it to  me 
>>>>> privately
>>>>> and then I will post it on our web site temporarily  so we all can 
>>>>> go
>>>>> to
>>>>> a link to view it.
>>>>> 2. Be sure you have permission to post a video that is of someone
>>>>> else...taking the video of yourself would be the best!
>>>>> 3. But how do we video ourselves doing a sign? Some people know  
>>>>> how to
>>>>> do that, but actually I do not...
>>>>> I can take a photo of myself with Photo Booth or iChat AV on the
>>>>> Macintosh, and I do have a built-in iSight camera, but how do I  
>>>>> video
>>>>> tape myself signing? and does anyone know how to do it on  the PC?
>>>>> So I hope someone can answer...how would you suggest videotaping
>>>>> ourselves signing something?
>>>>> Val ;-)
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> -------------------------------------
> Antônio Carlos da Rocha Costa
> Escola de Informática
> Coord. Prog. de Pós-grad. Informática
> Universidade Católica de Pelotas

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