A children's punning/rhyming game

[Jonathan Lighter]

Not unless the same actor voiced the frog character for Andy Devine's '50s show.

If it wasn't dubbed, the kid just had a weirdly deep voice.

Haven't found the rhyme in that particular Botkin book, but earlier refs have now been posted.

JL
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On Jul 24, 2004, at 8:55 AM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:

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> The (white) character "Froggy" in an Our Gang short (ca.1942) pulls
> the same trick with the same words. I too thought it was incredibly
> hip but am still waiting for a chance to use it myself.

Is this Froggy related to "Froggy the Gremlin" of the old
Saturday-morning "Smilin' Ed McConnell Show" - sponsored by Buster
Brown shoes: "'Arf! Arf!' That's my dog Tige! He lives in a shoe! I'm
Buster Brown! Look for me in there, too!" - on radio of the same era?

The show was cancelled after Smilin Ed, thinking that he was off the
air, commented, "There. That oughta hold the little bastards for
another week."

> Am fairly certain there is a ref. to the rhyme in use among white
> children in Ben Botkin's "Treasury of American Folklore" (1944). Will
> check.

Thank you.

-Wilson Gray

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> On my very first day in the first grade 1942 in Saint Louis, I was
> victimized by the following word game:
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> Q. What's your name?
> A. Putting and ta'en!
> Ask me again
> And I'll tell you the same.
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> This struck me as so hip that I couldn't wait to get home and tell my
> mother about. Unfortunately, she, born in Longview, TX, in 1914, was
> not impressed, since kids were already running this game on one another
> when she was a child.
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> This little front-off game is so popular and well-known among black
> children that it was re-written as a rhythm-&-blues dance song for
> adults that was famous for fifteen minutes on black-oriented AM radio
> back in the 'Sixties.
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> So far, I haven't met any white people to whom this is familiar.
> Ordinarily, I'd conclude that this game is only a black thing. However,
> over the years, I've found it in nursery-rhyme collections directed
> toward a white audience. In fact, had I not, I wouldn't know how to
> write it out the first line of the answer, since what I've always heard
> sounds something like this:
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> Q. Whutcho name?/whussho name?
> A. Putnin tane!
> Ass/ax me agin,
> I teh yuh dih same.
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> Anyway, are any of y'all white folk out yonder familiar with this?
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> -Wilson Gray
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