A children's punning/rhyming game

[Jonathan Lighter]

Shd have said that the incarnation of Froggy the Gremlin that I remember appeared on the Saturday morning TV show, "Andy's Gang," with Andy Devine, sponsored by Buster Brown Shoes.  Each week, as you may remember, Froggy would "plunk his Magic Twanger," resulting in God knows what.

JL
Wilson Gray <hwgray at EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
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On Jul 24, 2004, at 8:55 AM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:

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> The (white) character "Froggy" in an Our Gang short (ca.1942) pulls
> the same trick with the same words. I too thought it was incredibly
> hip but am still waiting for a chance to use it myself.

Is this Froggy related to "Froggy the Gremlin" of the old
Saturday-morning "Smilin' Ed McConnell Show" - sponsored by Buster
Brown shoes: "'Arf! Arf!' That's my dog Tige! He lives in a shoe! I'm
Buster Brown! Look for me in there, too!" - on radio of the same era?

The show was cancelled after Smilin Ed, thinking that he was off the
air, commented, "There. That oughta hold the little bastards for
another week."

> Am fairly certain there is a ref. to the rhyme in use among white
> children in Ben Botkin's "Treasury of American Folklore" (1944). Will
> check.

Thank you.

-Wilson Gray

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> JL
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> On my very first day in the first grade 1942 in Saint Louis, I was
> victimized by the following word game:
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> Q. What's your name?
> A. Putting and ta'en!
> Ask me again
> And I'll tell you the same.
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> This struck me as so hip that I couldn't wait to get home and tell my
> mother about. Unfortunately, she, born in Longview, TX, in 1914, was
> not impressed, since kids were already running this game on one another
> when she was a child.
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> This little front-off game is so popular and well-known among black
> children that it was re-written as a rhythm-&-blues dance song for
> adults that was famous for fifteen minutes on black-oriented AM radio
> back in the 'Sixties.
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> So far, I haven't met any white people to whom this is familiar.
> Ordinarily, I'd conclude that this game is only a black thing. However,
> over the years, I've found it in nursery-rhyme collections directed
> toward a white audience. In fact, had I not, I wouldn't know how to
> write it out the first line of the answer, since what I've always heard
> sounds something like this:
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> Q. Whutcho name?/whussho name?
> A. Putnin tane!
> Ass/ax me agin,
> I teh yuh dih same.
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> Anyway, are any of y'all white folk out yonder familiar with this?
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> -Wilson Gray
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