"knock" = "vagina", 1664?

[Wilson Gray]

Well, it's most certainly a Dutch word and it most certainly has the
right meaning. However, as to what the historical English reflex of
Dutch -eu- (approx. [ö]) is, or what the Dutch sound was a couple of
centuries or so ago was, your guess is as good as mine. There's an
on-line, FREE, Dutch-to-Dutch etymological dictionary published by the
Universiteit van Amsterdam, but, sadly, for our current needs, the
most recent lemma is Ka-.

-Wilson

On 8/4/06, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> It has been suggested (not by me) that English _nookie_ (1928 but undoubtedly older) somehow reflects Dutch _neuken_ "to copulate with."  Does this word even exist in Dutch? If so, could there be a phonological relationship?
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>   Once again, Joel has unearthed a good American example of a British term - if we can rule out the meaning "to strike."
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>   JL
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> "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at ATT.NET> wrote:
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> Previously I had not mentioned another quotation, this from 1681
> Massachusetts: "he that knoked her laste knoked her eyes oute". This
> appears to correspond to OED2, "knock v." sense 2.d, "to copulate
> with". I therefore looked under "knock" nouns for a similar sense
> for the excerpt below, and didn't find one. (I also didn't find an
> appropriate sense under "nock", because I only have access to
> OED2.) From the "knock v." analog and its dates (from 1598 on), I
> wouldn't look to "nookie".
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> At 8/4/2006 05:45 PM, you wrote:
> >"Joel S. Berson" sez:
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> >I do not see "knock" = "vagina" in OED2. What does one make of this from
> >1664?
> >
> >And thus she argues of the case:
> >My knock doth piteously itch
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> >= "nook"? related to modern "nookie"?
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> >m a m
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