beet soup

[Laurence Horn]

At 8:08 AM -0300 9/14/07, David A. Daniel wrote:
>One of my Russian profs very early on had a succinct explanation of the shch
>pronunciation. He said it was the same as the sh-ch in fresh cherries. Very
>easy to relate to.
>DAD

For those of us of a certain age, it's also the same as the "shch" in
Khrushchev, although I suppose I may be misremembering the variety of
pronunciations that name may have been produced with by stateside
reporters and politicians.

LH

>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: American Dialect Society [mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of
>Wilson Gray
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:25 PM
>To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: beet soup
>Isn't it the case that the Russo-Cyrillic letter transliterated as
>"shch" [SC] is actually pronounced as "shhh" [S:]? At least, that's
>the way that it was taught at the byvshaia Armeiskaia Shkola iazykov,
>fifty years ago. Darya?
>
>-Wilson
>
>On 9/13/07, RonButters at aol.com <RonButters at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>  In a message dated 9/13/07 11:46:01 AM, preston at MSU.EDU writes:
>>
>>  I can't write cyrrilic here, I think, but I looked it up and 'beet soup'
>is=20
>>  phonetically [borStS] -- spelled with the symbols corresponding to
>sounds=20
>>  represented in English by "b" "o" "r" "sh" (as in English "mash" =3D --S)
>an=
>>  d "ch"=20
>>  (as in English "match" =3D --tS).=20
>>
>>  Maybe we are just analyzing the final [tS] differently, i.e., an
>affricate=20
>>  consists of a stop + fricative. It is still "sibilant", n'est-ce pas?
>>
>>  > Nope; no final sibilant in Russian, and in Polish is just ends in
>>  > three consonants=A0 - barszcz /rSC/.
>>  >=20
>>  > dInIs
>>  >=20
>>  > PS: Ron, good try for a non-Slav.
>>  >=20
>>
>>
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