Rosa/rowz@

Wed Apr 23 04:36:03 UTC 2008

The truespel dictionary is based on words as spoken in the American Heritage Talking Dictionary and m-w.com.  In order to get away from special symbols, I had to spell our all schwas.  This makes truespel a bit more accurate than other dictionary pronunciation guides for USA accent, as schwas stand for at least 4 sounds (See the spelling out of "international phonetic" in IPA notation at the IPA site.  In truespel it's ~internnashinool, which is much more accurate, or shall we say dialect specific.)

For "diphthong", the definition 1 from m-w.com is fine for me.
Main Entry: diph·thong
Pronunciation: \ˈdif-ˌthȯŋ, ˈdip-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English diptonge, from Middle French diptongue, from Late Latin dipthongus, from Greek diphthongos, from di- + phthongos voice, sound
Date: 15th century
1 : a gliding monosyllabic speech sound (as the vowel combination at the end of toy) that starts at or near the articulatory position for one vowel and moves to or toward the position of another
2 : digraph
3 : the ligature æ or œ

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at authorhouse.com.

> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:35:34 -0400
> From: hfwstahlke at GMAIL.COM
> Subject: Re: Rosa/rowz@
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> Poster: Herb Stahlke
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> Which variety of USA English? And how are you defining diphthong?
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> Herb
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> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Tom Zurinskas  wrote:
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>> What do you mean "Why would I say something like that? Why would you say
>> "why would I say something like that?"
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>> I'm familiar enough with phonetics for my application. I'm not a
>> linguist, but anybody can gather much information from the internet on
>> phonetics.
>>
>> People that reply to questions of interest with "go read a book" are in my
>> opinion abusive, supplying no anwer, offering nothing but derision.
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>> Do you believe that all long vowels in USA English are diphthongs?
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>> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>> See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at
>> authorhouse.com.
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>>> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:31:01 +0800
>>> From: strangeguitars at GMAIL.COM
>>> Subject: Re: Rosa/rowz@
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>>> Poster: LanDi Liu
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>>> Tom, honestly, why would you say something like that?
>>>
>>> And WHY are you so opposed to taking any phonetics courses, or even
>>> reading even any of the most basic phonetics textbooks?
>>>
>>> WHY???
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>> P.S. And if you're really going to take an attitude like that, WHY do
>>> you have to do it here, of all places?
>>>
>>>
>>> Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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>>>> Why don't you take some classes and let us know what your teacher says.
>> Remember, trust what your teacher says, not what you hear or think.
>>>>
>>>> And do you agree with MAM that all long vowels in American English are
>> two-phthonged? Why don't you give us your own voice files as I have done
>> here with qlippits to demonstrate. Or take a class and find out how.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>>>> See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at
>> authorhouse.com.
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:33:10 -0700
>>>>> From: blukoff at ALVORD.COM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Rosa/rowz@
>>>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>>>>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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>>>>>> I don't believe off-glides are part of diphthongs such as
>>>>>> for the long vowels. Off glides happen before some consonants and not
>>>>>> before others. To me all long vowels sound like one-phthong not two.
>>>>>> I'd be glad to hear words spoken in m-w.com that illustrate the
>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are you located? Perhaps a phonetics class at your local
>> university
>>>>> would help.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also remember some IPA training software from the 90s which would
>>>>> pronounce each sound alone and in context.
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically, the key is ear training.
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